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Post by sungod on Mar 13, 2023 17:59:34 GMT -5
I caved and tried out ChatGPT last week. It's frighteningly skilled at some tasks, and it's comically terrible at others. In the former category, it can write you a wonderful third draft of a report. In the latter, I asked it to do some difficult algebra, which it gave an incorrect answer to. Hilariously, it changed its answer when I informed it that it was wrong. Anyway, click below to see how it responded when I queried where all the real-life devs are hiding… sharegpt.com/c/t1FYTIoDisclaimer: ChatGPT isn't the most supportive of devs. Trigger warning.
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Post by myrrh on Mar 13, 2023 19:56:07 GMT -5
Swinging by after a dev friend mentioned this got her down.... so I tried talking to it from the other side, and got a totally different vibe. This thing is a fever dream, not a conduit to some Great Internet Consensus.
And, on another conversation:
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Post by atlwheelin on Mar 13, 2023 21:17:56 GMT -5
haha you did a good job advocating for us. It's interesting how it ignores completely a pwd's (good) perspective on devotees. Not because it's AI but it only reflects society in general. For me, before anything, being a dev means to normalize what society sees as "broken" and "useless". And by normalizing, I find it attractive. That's ok and I don't judge when a non-dev woman loves a pwd and pretends his disability doesn't exist by giving too much focus on his personality and intellect just to compensate it. But what's the problem if someone (most devs, not the creepy ones) wants the whole package?! Mind, personality... and body. My struggle is I'll never understand this as "not genuine" or "lack of empathy" as society says. It shouldn't be a problem at us, thus being a direct reflection of all that's wrong with preconceived notions with society in general.
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Post by atlwheelin on Mar 13, 2023 21:18:42 GMT -5
Swinging by after a dev friend mentioned this got her down.... so I tried talking to it from the other side, and got a totally different vibe. This thing is a fever dream, not a conduit to some Great Internet Consensus. And, on another conversation: Seems like it's as reliable as shaking a magic 8 ball
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imupforanything
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Post by imupforanything on Mar 13, 2023 23:20:31 GMT -5
I use it a lot at work and I have found it able to solve some programming tasks that saves me a lot of time. On some other tasks I am working on it took me longer trying to get it to work than the time it ended up taking me to do it myself. .
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Post by devogirl on Mar 14, 2023 3:35:16 GMT -5
sungod thanks for sticking up for us but I found this whole exchange so upsetting. Not just that it gave you anti-dev talking points, but the way it doubled down and kept insisting that you were wrong. I appreciate your reply:
But I don't think that's how it works. I doubt the programmers put in an anti-devotee filter. ChatGPT is trained on the internet, so it repeats whatever the dominant discourse is at the moment. Maybe I'm just feeling overly sensitive at the moment but it sucks to be reminded how common this attitude is. Not just "weird" or "proceed with caution" but we are all bad and wrong, full stop.
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Post by newjess on Mar 14, 2023 9:16:42 GMT -5
I agree the OP is hard to read and it did not feel great to be reminded of the negative perception of devs (thanks for sticking up for us sungod), though myrrh's conversation did give me some hope, and made me wonder if the positive content that has grown here over so many years contributed to that. Thinking of it like a flowchart, it seems like kicking off the question from the perspective of being a dev (rather than meeting a dev) prompted ChatGPT to utilize info from more dev-friendly resources. And hey, maybe that will help devs in the future who are trying to figure things out.
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Post by newjess on Mar 14, 2023 9:26:42 GMT -5
I appreciate your reply:
But I don't think that's how it works. I doubt the programmers put in an anti-devotee filter. ChatGPT is trained on the internet, so it repeats whatever the dominant discourse is at the moment.
Programmers do ultimately train the supervised AI though as well, through selecting databases and using a reward based model, etc, so I do think it's accurate to say that they may influence the responses to some extent. I mention just to say that the info ChatGPT used to answer the OP could have been biased in some ways by how it was trained, and not entirely representative.
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Post by sungod on Mar 14, 2023 9:42:33 GMT -5
@lilyinblossom myrrh devogirl and the rest of this group, I want to apologize. My tech side is fascinated with this evolution of AI, and I'm so curious to see how it responds to different types of input. I impulsively posted this exchange on PD, considering it the most relevant place to discuss the tech response, but I hadn't let it sit long enough to consider that it might be another insulting reminder for the dev crowd. I'm so comfortable around you all that sometimes I forget about the sensitivity of the subject. However, the different exchange that myrrh had with the bot is interesting. By coming at her angle, it didn't again claim that she shouldn't have/acknowledge these feelings, but instead thoughtfully consider how she could best talk to her PWD partner about being at dev.
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Post by newjess on Mar 14, 2023 9:55:43 GMT -5
I'll just speak for myself here, but I'm glad you posted this sungod . I think it's ultimately good to know, and as someone who uses natural language processing and AI in my own work, I found it interesting too. Might be helpful to maybe just put a disclaimer on the OP, but you didn't do anything wrong in posting this, from my perspective. I appreciate you considering how this affects us and advocating for us! ETA: not to minimize the feelings of those that were upset by this exchange. I definitely get it. I appreciate disclaimers for this reason. Thanks for adding one to the OP
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Post by newjess on Mar 14, 2023 11:08:30 GMT -5
FWIW, I'm in a ChatGPT seminar right now where there is conversation going on around the concept of "truth". The general consensus is that ChatGPT doesn't understand the concept of "truth". At this point, it really is just a probability model that predicts the next word in the chain of a response (which is based on the data that was selected to train the model, and the human-in-the-loop feedback training).
It very much also is known to completely fabricate responses but make them sound "real" (e.g., when asking it to write a scientific article).
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Post by atlwheelin on Mar 14, 2023 11:20:27 GMT -5
I'll admit that I do not work with fields that would utilize ChatGTP, and I'm an old(er) geezer very much out of touch with modern technology. I came across an article about a month ago of a man who had used ChatGTP to create all the aspects of a relationship outside of having physical intimacy, and it was pretty scary to me how deeply in love this author felt a connection with AI. He said things along the lines of being completely aware the entire time that this "person" wasn't real, but all of "her" affirmations led him not to care and feeling fulfilled and satisfied with overcoming his loneliness. As someone who does get lonely quite often, that scared the bejeebuz out of me, and I kindly clicked "Don't show me ChatGPT articles" on my google suggestions.
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queerwheels
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Post by queerwheels on Mar 14, 2023 11:48:53 GMT -5
Oh boy lol. Yeah I do want to also reiterate that it is not a person and does not have thoughts or feelings - it's drawing from a corpus of training data. But there are certainly interesting things to be learned about natural language from it.
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Post by ichbin on Mar 14, 2023 15:39:53 GMT -5
That was an interesting read.
ChatGPT is a spooky and at the same time very fascinating thing to me.
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One more time, I have to state that I have the strong feeling that the "creepy devs" out there are male devs - not saying all of male devs are creepy of course, but all the creepy ones are male.
I have written with them, I have heard from disabled women who had to do with them, and of disabled men who had to do with gay male devs.
I have not found one yt channel of a female "hobbyist" stalking men with disabilities, filming them and making a playlist of these clips. However, I have found a lot of such playlists coming from male devs.
sorry to the male population, but... proof me wrong. 🤷♀️
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Post by quadin91 on Mar 14, 2023 16:27:10 GMT -5
Sticking with the AI theme but not on the subject of dev's. I recently discovered midjourney on discord, an AI that creates images based on your prompts and it is unbelievable what it can produce. I was blown away by its capabilities. It might be fun for the creative types to have a play around with it and see what they can come up with. I would be interested to see what it/people can create feel free to make a new thread with people's creations if that's allowed. if anyone is interested just Google midjourney discord to find it and have a go, its really cool
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