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Post by npooley on Jan 27, 2011 11:53:15 GMT -5
I'm still alive  Any gay devotee coming to Madrid??? |
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Post by wheelieInCali on Jan 27, 2011 14:28:23 GMT -5
Didn't read it. Why would you post a link to the devs only board here? It can't be that hard to explain. |
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Post by roger888 on Jan 27, 2011 15:46:56 GMT -5
Didn't read it. Why would you post a link to the devs only board here? It can't be that hard to explain. Why post it again?Are you trying to make that thread go viral?  |
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Post by dolly on Jan 27, 2011 22:30:31 GMT -5
again... 'devs only' topics, conversations, etc. are in 'devs only' for a reason. they are meant to stay there and not be brought to the general board(s). in any direct way. we expect the guys to respect our privacy there, or at the very least the boundaries. we must do the same. the devs only board is there for us to have our own conversations. we should feel comfortable posting on the devs only board without fear that our comments will end up elsewhere. yes, that includes linking to our conversations. no exceptions. i imagine no one said anything earlier because they didn't see the post or follow the link. it's nice when guys like wheelieincali understand our need to protect our little corner of the board. it's confusing when devs themselves don't. he was pointing out that your post had gone against the premise of 'devs only'. his point was valid, if belated. |
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Post by Emma on Jan 27, 2011 22:38:06 GMT -5
I completely agree Dolly. No postings from the devs only board should be linked to the general board period. It just encourages non-devs to read the devs only section which we all know happens but shouldn't.
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Post by Dee Dee on Jan 28, 2011 4:35:43 GMT -5
I feel bad about this  . I posted the link to explain something. I was trying to be helpful. In my opinion the link was a general explanation of "slash". Is it really necessary with this tone? It feels bad to be experienced with this board and its rules and then having to be set straight publicly. It feels even worse to read that "some devotees" (in this case, me) do not understand the need for privacy on the board  . This is my first time on the board where I feel unwelcome  . I have more than 1.400 posts - one tiny mistake and I´m dished to the dirt . By people whom I have been nothing but gentle to, even . Posts removed. |
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Post by ruthmadison on Jan 28, 2011 6:41:32 GMT -5
I found the link helpful :/
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Post by Inigo Montoya on Jan 28, 2011 7:55:50 GMT -5
I found the link helpful :/ I'm sure the link was helpful. But it was posted as an answer to one of the guys, who shouldn't be in the area the link leads to. This would also have been a helpful link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_fiction and a safe one to use. DD, I'm sorry that you feel bad about being called out, but like dolly and Emma, I'm glad that wheelie caught it. I'd missed it. I'm also glad he's willing to defend the Dev's Only section. And you're not the only long time member who's done this. A while back Doe took part of one of my posts in Dev's Only and posted it on the main board. I had given serious thought to where I wanted to post it... actually dithered a little, so I wasn't too happy when she did that. I had put my thread in Dev's Only because I thought I'd get a free-er response from the devs there and was mildly horrified when their words were moved. It wasn't anything deep or dark and dev-ish... it was actually a pretty positive post which is why she wanted to share it with the guys. But I felt that the girls might not share what they did out in general and I felt that moving it was not cool. I'm glad that there are some of the guys who respect the Dev's Only space. |
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Post by robbb on Jan 28, 2011 10:49:10 GMT -5
Back to the thread...
npooley, check your PM.
R.
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Post by dolly on Jan 28, 2011 11:39:46 GMT -5
I feel bad about this . I posted the link to explain something. I was trying to be helpful. In my opinion the link was a general explanation of "slash". Is it really necessary with this tone? It feels bad to be experienced with this board and its rules and then having to be set straight publicly. It feels even worse to read that "some devotees" (in this case, me) do not understand the need for privacy on the board . This is my first time on the board where I feel unwelcome . I have more than 1.400 posts - one tiny mistake and I´m dished to the dirt . By people whom I have been nothing but gentle to, even . Posts removed. what tone? wheelieincali asked a legitimate question that others would have asked if they'd noticed it. his comment was sufficient. no need for anyone to have said anything further. i only went into an explanation (a very even-toned one, from my end) because in your post (that you deleted) you seemed quite upset (angry, even) and you were demanding an explanation. i wish i'd quoted your post to give context . this is why it's so annoying when people delete whole posts. it makes the person replying to them look stupid. but you were demanding to know "what is the problem?" it's puzzling that you still don't seem to understand what the problem was. but either way, no one was dishing you to the dirt. wheelie was doing his bit to keep our devs only section from being referred to on the general boards and i was providing you with the explanation you requested. you are not the only dev who has done this, so i *was* referring to the devotees in general. in the end, 'devs only' should be self-explanatory. really, no one has made a big deal out of this, except perhaps you. there is no reason to feel unwelcome or persecuted. (did you notice the emoticon at the end? that was my attempt at levity...) npooley...sorry for the turn your thread has taken! |
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Post by Emma on Jan 28, 2011 15:28:00 GMT -5
DD - I too did not mean for you to feel personally attacked by my post. I was merely adding my opinion to highlight for others that Dolly is not the only dev who feels strongly about keeping the devs only section private. I'm sorry you took offense, I didn't mean to make you feel unwelcome. It feels even worse to read that "some devotees" (in this case, me) do not understand the need for privacy on the board . I feel very strongly about the need for privacy. I also know that the devs only section is read by many non-devs sometimes by accident and sometimes on purpose. It would be great if we could make the devs only section truly private to just the devs however I have heard that with the pro boards format it is not possible to block some users from certain sections of the board. I think the reason many of us feel we need a private place is to be able to have discussions where the disabled members don't have the opportunity to throw in their opinion. We also want to be able to say things without the judgement of non-devs. Does that make sense? |
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Post by wheelieInCali on Jan 28, 2011 20:24:19 GMT -5
It's a little self righteous of me I'll admit, but it makes me feel better about myself to not read that section. I appreciate what you guys share in the general board but realize that you need to have girl talk without non-devs butting in with their flirtations or criticisms. It's an open forum for the devs and I consider myself a tourist on this board. I know a lot of devs all over the world have had life changing revelations from the conversations on this site, and I'm nobody to meddle in or spy on that. If there are things I should know, I'm sure they will be made known to me when the time is right.
This board has actually helped me too. When I first learned of devs, it was very confusing and I couldn't decide where to "stand" on the subject. It's difficult when something so personal and often painful to you just happens to be personal and ______ to the opposite sex in a sexual way. I've learned that blank can be filled in with everything from liberating to torturing. If you scan back through my prior posts, you'll be able to see my growing process. I've spent a lot of time on these posts, thinking on a single post, sometimes for hours, deciding where I fit in and how I felt about some of these issues. Writing really is a process of refined thought and I've learned a lot about myself from the conversations here.
I'm sorry to have caused such a stink DD. I don't want to make anybody feel bad or be driven out. I'm sure I speak for everybody when I say don't leave and try not to be bitter about this. I'm sure not every dev feels that the dev section is even a necessity but some do, strongly, and that seems like enough to me. Some of you girls are unashamed and confident in your sexuality and that's great, but others are not and I think it takes a lot for them to express themselves in that semi-private area. Lets try to make it as comfortable as possible for them. People aren't made of iron and can be broken down, I hope that's not what is happening to you.
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Post by E on Jan 28, 2011 22:08:22 GMT -5
I feel bad about this . I posted the link to explain something. I was trying to be helpful. In my opinion the link was a general explanation of "slash". Is it really necessary with this tone? It feels bad to be experienced with this board and its rules and then having to be set straight publicly. I think if you feel bad, it's likely your conscience... because I don't see any excessive harshness taking place here. Or maybe the "diva" portion of your name is really appropriate. It IS strange that being so experienced, having seen people criticized just for mentioning or quoting the Devs Only area, that you would LINK right to it in the public areas. You had to think that might cause a problem. I really don't think anyone is lynching you, though -- just pointing out the problem and why it's so. Healthy, constructive criticism isn't mean. It's helpful. |
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Post by ruthmadison on Jan 29, 2011 9:46:15 GMT -5
This board has actually helped me too. When I first learned of devs, it was very confusing and I couldn't decide where to "stand" on the subject. It's difficult when something so personal and often painful to you just happens to be personal and ______ to the opposite sex in a sexual way. I've learned that blank can be filled in with everything from liberating to torturing. If you scan back through my prior posts, you'll be able to see my growing process. I've spent a lot of time on these posts, thinking on a single post, sometimes for hours, deciding where I fit in and how I felt about some of these issues. Writing really is a process of refined thought and I've learned a lot about myself from the conversations here. This is very moving, wheelieincali. |
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Post by Dee Dee on Jan 31, 2011 9:57:42 GMT -5
Dolly says: "What tone?" I´ll tell you what I mean:Wheelieincali says: "Why post it on the general board? It can´t be that hard to explain". Dolly says: "it's nice when guys like wheelieincali understand our need to protect our little corner of the board. it's confusing when devs themselves don't". "i wish i'd quoted your post to give context . this is why it's so annoying when people delete whole posts. it makes the person replying to them look stupid. but you were demanding to know "what is the problem?" "it's puzzling that you still don't seem to understand what the problem was". "really, no one has made a big deal out of this, except perhaps you. there is no reason to feel unwelcome or persecuted. (did you notice the emoticon at the end? that was my attempt at levity...)" Eric says: "I think if you feel bad, it's likely your conscience... because I don't see any excessive harshness taking place here. Or maybe the "diva" portion of your name is really appropriate. It IS strange that being so experienced, having seen people criticized just for mentioning or quoting the Devs Only area, that you would LINK right to it in the public areas. You had to think that might cause a problem. I really don't think anyone is lynching you, though -- just pointing out the problem and why it's so". *********************** THAT´s the tone, I am talking about - especially written by Eric. That was absolutely uncalled for. I see that as pejorative and condescending and aimed directly at my person . Furthermore, it´s this arrogant tone, that I absolutely hate here . I´m very likely not the only one.
Moreover; whatever happened to "please" and "would like"? Why be so harsh instead of a little polite? I really don´t understand this and it makes me both upset and sad.
I, for one, FULLY understand and respect the rules of this board. But things must also be put into perspective. Yes, I understand the rules. Yes, I noticed the emoticon. Yes, I respect the need for privacy. Don´t talk to me as if I´m new and unexperienced and destroyed something.
What Wheelieincali and Emma said (respectively at the end of his post and in the beginning of her post) made me feel a bit better. Thank you for that.
Dolly, yes, I deleted the post. You feel confused, but why do you think I did that? Your posts, among others, prompted me to do so. By deleting, I recognised I made a mistake, albeit tiny as it was.
Wheelieincali, the next time you call someone out, then be a little polite. That makes things a lot easier. No, "slash" is not hard to explain. Don´t talk to me like that, please.
Eric, I can assure you that I have a good conscience. I KNOW that I have contributed in a positive way to this board and I have made a lot of great friends. You know very well, that the "Diva" in my user name is just a play with words. Don´t attack me on this personal level. I thought you were better than that! Apparently, I was wrong . I didn´t feel lynched. But by your post, I did!!! .One last thing: GET REAL. ANYONE (=the rest of the world) can read the devs only section and THEY DO. They cannot comment on it, which is great, but they can certainly read it and use it in whatever way they feel like, positively and negatively. How does that make me feel? Well, it would be for the best, if it really WERE private. The fact is; it´s not and we have to deal with that, instead of telling ourselves that wheelers should not read it. I am sorry to say it´s the REALITY. Private discussions can only happen in PRIVATE. Not on a public board. If we tell ourselves otherwise we fool ourselves. By this, I´m going into silence. I have been fed up with the board for a long time and this is the final straw. I´m tired of the arguing, the arrogance, the patronising tone of voice and the hyper criticism. I will keep my account but not post any more. |
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