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Post by darkie on Nov 16, 2010 12:31:41 GMT -5
Hey there !
Last weekend i read the novel (w)hole by ruth madison. I wonder, if the auther itself is a devotee. what do you think ?
I can´t remember exactly whether we´ve had this book discussed here or not. Has anyone read it yet ?
In most sequences it was so familiar. there were my thoughts, my feelings, a little bit my story.
would be pleased to hear your opinion !
Darkie
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Post by BA on Nov 16, 2010 17:36:58 GMT -5
I never heard it discussed here. It looks like a really good book. I will def read this one and get back to you on it. The reviews were very promising.
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Post by celesty on Nov 16, 2010 19:39:47 GMT -5
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Post by celesty on Nov 16, 2010 20:37:17 GMT -5
Never mind, it doesn't have the whole story... I knew it was too good to be true haha
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Post by BA on Nov 20, 2010 15:23:22 GMT -5
I ordered it from Amazon and it arrived today. I was suprised at the heft of the book (I expected a little pocket paperback). Will get back to you and let you all know what I thought.
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Post by Emma on Nov 20, 2010 19:54:23 GMT -5
I'm always looking for good books. So Darkie it sounds like you enjoyed the dev aspect of it but what about the story? BA I look forward to hearing what you think.
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Post by darkie on Nov 21, 2010 12:39:06 GMT -5
hmmm, the story itself was a bit thin. a girl who felt in love with a wheelchair-guy. she hided the relationship from her parents and her friends in the beginning, after her parents found it, they weren´t pleased about and so on......nothing special.
after he found out, that she´s sexually attracted because he´s in a wheelchair, they broke. don´t wanna tell you more, because i don´t want to spoil it.
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Post by Pij02 on Nov 22, 2010 3:57:49 GMT -5
Darkie,
Spectacular find! Thank you so much for bringing this onto my radar! I cant believe this has been out for over a year and I have yet to hear about it, or happen across it. I will definitely be back-burnering my other books and reading this post-haste!
[glow=red,2,300][shadow=red,left,300]~Paige[/shadow][/glow]
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Post by BA on Nov 22, 2010 17:46:05 GMT -5
hmmm, the story itself was a bit thin. a girl who felt in love with a wheelchair-guy. she hided the relationship from her parents and her friends in the beginning, after her parents found it, they weren´t pleased about and so on......nothing special. after he found out, that she´s sexually attracted because he´s in a wheelchair, they broke. don´t wanna tell you more, because i don´t want to spoil it. It will def. not win a nobel prize in literature, however I think it captured the range of feelings she experienced very, very well. I also liked that she was so young (18) and just coming into her own sexuality. Personally I think it would be a wonderful book for the disabled guys to read. It's almost like a "primer" on the inner workings of our minds. Doesn't tell it all, but you really get deep down into her secrets and 'shame' and how it colored her entire perception of herself and the world. |
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Post by dolly on Nov 23, 2010 14:29:31 GMT -5
ya, we've talked about this book before and yet i still haven't gotten around to getting a copy! good to hear some of the reviews coming in. it's amazing that a book has finally been published dealing with this subject. disappointed to hear that it sounds like even in this fictional telling of a dev story the dev scares off the wheeler by being open about her devness.  was hoping the book might have been more affirming. and maybe it is, later on? i'm going to order it this week and find out for myself.  |
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Post by Cake on Nov 23, 2010 16:54:44 GMT -5
It will def. not win a nobel prize in literature, however I think it captured the range of feelings she experienced very, very well. I also liked that she was so young (18) and just coming into her own sexuality. Personally I think it would be a wonderful book for the disabled guys to read. It's almost like a "primer" on the inner workings of our minds. Doesn't tell it all, but you really get deep down into her secrets and 'shame' and how it colored her entire perception of herself and the world. I got it as an e-book and am halfway through now. I absolutely agree, BA, thought the exact same thing: Even though the characters and the writing aren't great, it reminds me a lot of how I felt about myself when I was in my teens (and sometimes even today). I really think that this book might be a very good way to explain to an outsider (be that a wheeler, or a friend or a family member) what it feels like to be a dev. Some quotes that struck a chord:"She breathed deeply and pushed the hair that was sticking to her forehead off her face. Then she opened her eyes and looked at the ceiling. Though her body had relaxed, her mind was still tense. How had someone else’s pain and her pleasure become so closely linked?"
"Though she believed this desire for disability was wrong, something to be destroyed, she couldn’t seem to do it. The desire was stronger than she was. Despite her best efforts, when a character in a book went to the hospital, she became excited. Deep inside she always hoped for an injury in stories. She was the only girl she knew who liked to watch war movies, and she did because the odds of injuries were better in those movies than others. Like any addiction, it seemed to be impossible to get rid of the thing that brought the greatest pleasure to her body.""She had created the notebook thinking that she could move the sickness out of herself and contain it within the pages. Now she knew the foolishness of that plan. When she thought of the images in these pages her head felt hot and heavy and her stomach wrenched.
Inside were photographs she had taken, and pictures from magazines, or off the Internet. Wheelchairs, crutches, casts, paraplegics, amputees… The familiar tingling began between her legs. She felt the double-edged sword of pleasure and shame enter her heart.
It felt even worse now that she knew Stewart. She had to consider how it would make him feel if he knew about these pictures. She could imagine his accusation with every image of a wheelchair: You’re sick. There’s something wrong with you.""Maybe she should go to therapy for this. No one in her family went to therapy; they would want to know why she needed it. Besides, she didn’t think she could tell even a psychiatrist that when she was little she had torn the legs off her Ken doll and built him a wheelchair made out of Duplos. Once, she threw him off her grandmother’s balcony, called it a hiking accident, and wrapped his arms in wet toilet paper that hardened into casts.""She had to be cool around him, and show him that she wasn’t as ignorant as other able-bodied people. Not staring might be a good start.""Elizabeth headed straight for the ramp around the back and she saw Stewart give her a strange look. She knew he was wondering how she had known where the ramp was. Hopefully he would pass it off as luck and in the future Elizabeth could be more careful about hiding her knowledge. She couldn’t have Stewart asking questions about why she knew what she knew.""She also couldn’t talk about disability for the same reason she couldn’t talk about her own desire for it. If she said the words, the truth might be written across her face plainly for anyone to read."Nobel Prize or not, I can't help but to find it kind of great to see stuff like the above in a publicized book. It's proably the only one of its kind right now. |
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Post by devogirl on Nov 23, 2010 18:20:08 GMT -5
Yes, someone mentioned this book a few months ago but I hesitated to read it, honestly because I thought it might be a little too close for comfort. But thank you Cake for posting those passages, now I will definitely order it and read it. You're right, it is affirming to read those things in a published book. I have definitely had all those thoughts, almost exactly as she describes. It makes me want to write my own book, to tell my own version of the same story.
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Post by Emma on Nov 24, 2010 0:25:03 GMT -5
I'm ordering it now. Thank you Cake for the quotes. It sealed the deal for me. I agree its amazing that it was published. The funny thing is if you look up the author at: sites.google.com/site/ruthmadison/ it says: All Madison's books are works of fiction and the plots are imagined, they are not based on her own life and are not memoirs. Sad she had to hide it since it seems like she is definitely a dev. |
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Post by Inigo Montoya on Nov 24, 2010 0:37:51 GMT -5
It will def. not win a nobel prize in literature, however I think it captured the range of feelings she experienced very, very well. I also liked that she was so young (18) and just coming into her own sexuality. Personally I think it would be a wonderful book for the disabled guys to read. It's almost like a "primer" on the inner workings of our minds. Doesn't tell it all, but you really get deep down into her secrets and 'shame' and how it colored her entire perception of herself and the world. I got it as an e-book and am halfway through now. I absolutely agree, BA, thought the exact same thing: Even though the characters and the writing aren't great, it reminds me a lot of how I felt about myself when I was in my teens (and sometimes even today). I really think that this book might be a very good way to explain to an outsider (be that a wheeler, or a friend or a family member) what it feels like to be a dev. Some quotes that struck a chord:"She breathed deeply and pushed the hair that was sticking to her forehead off her face. Then she opened her eyes and looked at the ceiling. Though her body had relaxed, her mind was still tense. How had someone else’s pain and her pleasure become so closely linked?"
"Though she believed this desire for disability was wrong, something to be destroyed, she couldn’t seem to do it. The desire was stronger than she was. Despite her best efforts, when a character in a book went to the hospital, she became excited. Deep inside she always hoped for an injury in stories. She was the only girl she knew who liked to watch war movies, and she did because the odds of injuries were better in those movies than others. Like any addiction, it seemed to be impossible to get rid of the thing that brought the greatest pleasure to her body.""She had created the notebook thinking that she could move the sickness out of herself and contain it within the pages. Now she knew the foolishness of that plan. When she thought of the images in these pages her head felt hot and heavy and her stomach wrenched.
Inside were photographs she had taken, and pictures from magazines, or off the Internet. Wheelchairs, crutches, casts, paraplegics, amputees… The familiar tingling began between her legs. She felt the double-edged sword of pleasure and shame enter her heart.
It felt even worse now that she knew Stewart. She had to consider how it would make him feel if he knew about these pictures. She could imagine his accusation with every image of a wheelchair: You’re sick. There’s something wrong with you.""Maybe she should go to therapy for this. No one in her family went to therapy; they would want to know why she needed it. Besides, she didn’t think she could tell even a psychiatrist that when she was little she had torn the legs off her Ken doll and built him a wheelchair made out of Duplos. Once, she threw him off her grandmother’s balcony, called it a hiking accident, and wrapped his arms in wet toilet paper that hardened into casts.""She had to be cool around him, and show him that she wasn’t as ignorant as other able-bodied people. Not staring might be a good start.""Elizabeth headed straight for the ramp around the back and she saw Stewart give her a strange look. She knew he was wondering how she had known where the ramp was. Hopefully he would pass it off as luck and in the future Elizabeth could be more careful about hiding her knowledge. She couldn’t have Stewart asking questions about why she knew what she knew.""She also couldn’t talk about disability for the same reason she couldn’t talk about her own desire for it. If she said the words, the truth might be written across her face plainly for anyone to read."Nobel Prize or not, I can't help but to find it kind of great to see stuff like the above in a publicized book. It's proably the only one of its kind right now. Um, holy shit. O.o |
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Post by BA on Nov 24, 2010 6:29:33 GMT -5
I'm ordering it now. Thank you Cake for the quotes. It sealed the deal for me. I agree its amazing that it was published. The funny thing is if you look up the author at: sites.google.com/site/ruthmadison/ it says: All Madison's books are works of fiction and the plots are imagined, they are not based on her own life and are not memoirs. Sad she had to hide it since it seems like she is definitely a dev. Is it possible that she was being harassed by people after publishing this? Either in a good way or in a bad way? That seems like a stretch but I can't think of any other reason for her to put in such a disclaimer. |
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was hoping the book might have been more affirming. and maybe it is, later on?
