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Post by dolly on Sept 27, 2011 9:01:52 GMT -5
the book club this month will be discussing two movies, 'carmo hit the road' and 'sympathy for delicious'. we'll be meeting at 8pm EST tomorrow night for a voice chat on Skype. send your skype info to emma if you are new to the chats and want to participate. ***this thread may contain spoilers*** carmo hit the road was discussed briefly for last months book club here: paradevo.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=devs&action=display&thread=3034so.... what did you think?  |
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Post by Dee Dee on Sept 27, 2011 20:05:37 GMT -5
I have just finished watching it and I love it! What a great, great film - and Fele Martinez is hot as the rough, yet soft, paraplegic guy. The expression in his eyes is fantastic, isn´t it? The only thing I did not like was Carmo´s extremely provocative behaviour in the beginning. I think it was somewhat exaggerated, but later on we got a more complex portrayal of her. For me the favourite moments are when they bathe in the river and when they are at the bar in Bolivia where they are about to kiss. In both scenes we get to see his soft side . Yummy . |
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Post by devogirl on Sept 27, 2011 20:53:21 GMT -5
Ok, so in contrast to my screed against Sympathy for Delicious, I have to say I really enjoyed Carmo a lot, much more than I thought I would.
This film also had a lot of indie-film quirks, but in this case I thought they were fun and stylish. Both films indulged in what might be called poverty porn, turning the camera on the most freakish, down and out locals. But this movie kept things fast-paced and wasn't afraid to lighten the tone with humor. I particularly liked the freeze-frame titles with superfluous information, I thought they were funny and clever.
Fele Martinez is not really my type, especially how scruffy he looked here, but wow is he a great actor. You can tell he really thought about this role, and I was amazed how realistically he acted and moved as a para. Huge devo thrills, especially the scenes of him getting in and out of bed. And I agree with DD, the scene in the river was fantastic. When she invited him to join her and he said "I need help" aahh, devolicious.
On the down side, I found Carmo herself a bit annoying and stupid, although she gets more sympathetic toward the end. Here too the secondary characters are all stereotypes, from the nerdy ex-boyfriend to the religious mom. The cartoonish banditos were particularly annoying, as was the homo-panic subplot.
Still, it was really fun to watch. Thank you so much ladies for sharing, and especially Inigo for uploading!
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Post by ruthmadison on Sept 27, 2011 22:44:51 GMT -5
My favorite was when they finally have sex and he looks so very vulnerable all of a sudden, when he never had before. The way he looks at her is so moving.
I liked also when they're arguing and he falls, but she doesn't help and doesn't stop yelling at him.
By the way, I will definitely be late to chat. My class gets out around 8:15 and it will take me a little while to get to my car and drive home. I should be there by 8:45 or 9:00!
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Post by dentelle on Sept 27, 2011 23:16:11 GMT -5
Loved Carmo! Just loved the river scene and the bedroom scene.
See you all tomorrow night.
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Post by Valkyrja on Sept 28, 2011 5:29:55 GMT -5
I didn´t like it either (lol... yes, I´m that difficult)
I think that their acting was great but I hate all the dirt thing (why they have to look so unclean!?)... and the story line doesn´t close for me!
Like you, the only scenes that are devolicious are the river scene and the sex scene... and at the beggining when she dances for him and you can see how upset he looks.
But... only 3 scenes are not a movie!
Sorry...
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Post by Valkyrja on Sept 28, 2011 5:35:27 GMT -5
On the down side, I found Carmo herself a bit annoying and stupid, although she gets more sympathetic toward the end. Here too the secondary characters are all stereotypes, from the nerdy ex-boyfriend to the religious mom. The cartoonish banditos were particularly annoying, as was the homo-panic subplot. Amazingly, DG... that stereotypes charatcter are not "stereotypes" in South America. The pseudo religious mom that can say a very known said in latinamerica: "Haz lo que digo más no lo que yo hago" (do what I tell but not what I do), the bandidos are pretty like them here (lol... yes, it´s true) and our culture have a strong homo-phobic problem!! So... that´s a great picturing of our south american culture! |
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Post by Inigo Montoya on Sept 28, 2011 6:51:40 GMT -5
One of the things I liked (I think I said this in the other thread) was the "cartooning" of the secondary characters. I thought it was done for humor and to make us focus more and have more sympathy for Marco and Carmo. I just realized that their names are the same... same letters... huh.
Anyway, something I never did understand was Luz Guarany... was she a crime-boss? Some mystic figure? Was she somehow behind everything? What was that scene with her and the mystic frisbee all about???
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Post by ruthmadison on Sept 28, 2011 9:16:17 GMT -5
One of the things I liked (I think I said this in the other thread) was the "cartooning" of the secondary characters. I thought it was done for humor and to make us focus more and have more sympathy for Marco and Carmo. I just realized that their names are the same... same letters... huh. Anyway, something I never did understand was Luz Guarany... was she a crime-boss? Some mystic figure? Was she somehow behind everything? What was that scene with her and the mystic frisbee all about??? Oh, I didn't notice that about their names! I also have no idea what was going on with Luz. I wasn't following the plot all that well, so I just let myself enjoy the interactions between the two instead of thinking about what the hec was going on! lol. |
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Post by Dee Dee on Sept 28, 2011 9:46:49 GMT -5
... wasn't afraid to lighten the tone with humor. I particularly liked the freeze-frame titles with superfluous information, I thought they were funny and clever. Yes, I liked those too: very Guy Ritchie, as in "Snatch" and "Lock, stock and two smoking barrels" ;D Huge devo thrills, especially the scenes of him getting in and out of bed. And I agree with DD, the scene in the river was fantastic. When she invited him to join her and he said "I need help" aahh, devolicious. Oh yes! Very devlicious! I just wish that we would have been shown the actual scene, where she helps him undress and get into the river . On the down side, I found Carmo herself a bit annoying and stupid, although she gets more sympathetic toward the end. Here too the secondary characters are all stereotypes, from the nerdy ex-boyfriend to the religious mom. The cartoonish banditos were particularly annoying, as was the homo-panic subplot. I hated the cartoonish bandits, especially "Diamante" - was he somehow mentally retarded? However, I found the mom (Serrena) quite amusing, especially the fact that she urges her boyfriend (the local sheriff) to sing Jesus-appraising songs. Reluctantly he does it, because he likes her (and because they have great sex - who can´t sing a little song in order to keep that?!) So funny  . |
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Post by Valkyrja on Sept 28, 2011 11:19:20 GMT -5
Luz is a kind of mistical being... like a guardian angel (at least that´s what I suppossed)
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Post by Emma on Sept 28, 2011 11:50:58 GMT -5
I wasn't following the plot all that well, so I just let myself enjoy the interactions between the two instead of thinking about what the hec was going on! lol. I was getting ready to post about this movie but I watched it last month so its not fresh in my mind. What Ruth said above sums it up well.....I had a really hard time following the plot. Maybe it is because I wasn't 100% watching the movie and with subtitles that always means confusion. It probably makes me sound like a terrible, egocentric American but I have always had a hard time with movies that are in a different language. I struggle with reading and watching at the same time. I'm always distracted by the scenes and look away from the text. Like you Val I was also bothered by the dirty characters in both movies but in Carmo he seemed to be truly dirty and unshaven where Delicious just seemed to be rock star greasy. |
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Post by Inigo Montoya on Sept 28, 2011 12:29:53 GMT -5
I have trouble with subtitles too, Emma. I keep having to go back ans reread/watch.
I was more forgiving of Marco's dirt... in part because I thought he was cleaning up when he had the chance... like when they stopped at a hotel... didn't we see him in clean shirts afterwards? I thought he was just in a part of the world where that can be harder.
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Post by Dee Dee on Sept 28, 2011 12:48:12 GMT -5
Well, I guess we would ALL be dirty if we had to drive through a dusty land in an old pick-up truck with no air-condition and in 35 degrees heat.
Plus we don´t see a lot of accessible showers, do we? And if evil bandits are after you, you´re probably more concerned about that than having a bath.
And how is he supposed to change his clothes when his truck is stolen all the time? His suitcase and toiletries were probably stolen too! ;D
I am ALL for personal hygiene, but we have to let the film unfold on its own terms.
P.S.: in his defence he DID get a good hose-down by the female veterinarian and how often have you seen a male para get THAT in a film? ;D
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Post by devogirl on Sept 28, 2011 16:28:44 GMT -5
Yes, the dirtiness made sense in terms of the plot in both movies, but WHY are disabled guys in movies ALWAYS scruffy and disheveled? Especially the wheelers. Like in Dark Angel, Logan was all clean-cut when he was AB but once he's injured he's always unshaven and with mussed hair. It's like a code for "social loser." I call bullshit!
PS the hose-down scene was also devolicious.
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