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Post by Emma on May 19, 2019 23:04:11 GMT -5
I have never heard of or seen one in America. How do you get access to one?
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Post by sam92 on May 20, 2019 7:21:16 GMT -5
I have never heard of or seen one in America. How do you get access to one? Emma, they may only have them available at bigger airports such as LAX or in New York. Contact the airline and request one. Again, it may depend on the airline.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 4:40:30 GMT -5
It's a nightmare in planning and logistics trying to get anywhere
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Post by blueskye101 on Oct 30, 2020 22:01:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 11:14:42 GMT -5
Thats insane ! I cant believe that its legal under the disability act, but sadly im probably wrong. I really hope this is fought and fought hard, otherwise it could be the first anti disability issue of many.
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Post by Dr. BiPAP Sachin on Oct 31, 2020 11:22:16 GMT -5
Now this is definitely shitty regulatory policy. It's time for some drastic reform.
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Post by someonerandom on Oct 31, 2020 13:55:11 GMT -5
That definitely seems to conflict with the ADA. I’m not sure how this could go in favor of AA in court... There’s not really a way to reasonably accommodate someone who needs a wheelchair if they can’t bring their fuckin wheelchair with them. What a bunch of demons!!
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Post by matisse on Oct 31, 2020 16:26:57 GMT -5
There's no way this is legal. No need to wait for the DOT, this guy can just sue if he wants. Damage to my chair by the airlines has actually been quite rare. It has never been rendered inoperable. I strip it down and I have instructions on the back. One time I neglected to remove my legrests because the flight was delayed so I had a bunch of cocktails. That time they literally broke one of the legrests in half. I rarely flew AA though, maybe less than 5% of my trips. I flew mostly SW, JetBlue, Virgin and United. AA generally has a really bad customer service reputation. This started with Crandall many years ago and I guess it just stuck.
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Post by malibu on Nov 1, 2020 0:56:52 GMT -5
Now this is definitely shitty regulatory policy. It's time for some drastic reform. I’m ready for some drastic reform, for example allowing passengers to stay in the (power) wheelchair during the flight! 😊
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Post by kro354 on Nov 1, 2020 10:23:57 GMT -5
AA's new policy of claiming that the chair threatens the flight does look like a disingenuous way around the ACAA, especially since Mr Morris has taken his chair several times on that very fleet type without issue. And the DOT is generally favorable to PWDs. But if you have a bulky powerchair and want to fly, be aware that on many smaller regional aircraft, your chair probably won't fit through the door of the cargo hold. (Mr Morris' chair looks less bulky so I'm honestly surprised it weighs over 400 lbs.) Always stick to mainline (i.e. Boeing and Airbus) aircraft where possible.
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Post by kro354 on Nov 1, 2020 10:36:23 GMT -5
Now this is definitely shitty regulatory policy. It's time for some drastic reform. I’m ready for some drastic reform, for example allowing passengers to stay in the (power) wheelchair during the flight! 😊 That would be great, but between tight spaces and airlines' economics based on every seat being filled, removing up to 2 rows of passengers to make way for one powerchair would never happen. (Powerchairs are too wide for a standard airline seat, and too long for a standard airline row. And if they are blocking the safe exit of a row behind them, then that row would also have to remain empty.) Airlines do need to pay more attention to the handling of chairs and passengers should ask to speak to a ramp agent to explain how to handle the chair (i.e. tell them it doesnt fold, dont try to take it apart, here's how to put it in neutral/lock the wheels, etc.) or better yet, write these instructions on a piece of paper and tape it to the chair so that anyone handling it can see. Also remove the head rest and leg rests (if easily removable) and bring them onboard with you, so they don't get damaged and then the chair takes up less space in the cargo hold.
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Post by someonerandom on Nov 25, 2020 10:34:17 GMT -5
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Post by matisse on Nov 25, 2020 17:51:54 GMT -5
They forgot to mention they ran it by their lawyers and were told it was illegal. That's the only real reason they relented. This BS happens all too often, companies impose rules that violate the disability laws, then are forced to backtrack. The question is why it happens in the first place. It also happens on a micro-scale. One time a flight attendant was demanding that I get off the plane even though my chair was not at the gate (the broken elevator excuse). They wanted to wheel me to baggage (I told her if you can get me there, you can get the chair here). I asked for the CRO and the CRO got the chair to the gate, she knew the law.
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Post by someonerandom on Nov 25, 2020 19:00:38 GMT -5
They forgot to mention they ran it by their lawyers and were told it was illegal. That's the only real reason they relented. This BS happens all too often, companies impose rules that violate the disability laws, then are forced to backtrack. The question is why it happens in the first place. It also happens on a micro-scale. One time a flight attendant was demanding that I get off the plane even though my chair was not at the gate (the broken elevator excuse). They wanted to wheel me to baggage (I told her if you can get me there, you can get the chair here). I asked for the CRO and the CRO got the chair to the gate, she knew the law. Yeah I noticed that article was very soft on AA, and said they consulted the safety team and the manufacturer, with no mention of the legal team. My sister is in marketing and sent me the link, since we had been discussing it a while back. I don’t actually read airline catalog or whatever that site is. I just can’t believe they didn’t consult the legal team first. You’d think such a big company would have their ducks in a row. Anyways, yet another example of evil regulations doing harm to the population! We should leave things up to the benevolent corporations, right? Sarcasm. And yeah, the stuff happens on a micro-scale all the time, which is not surprising. The fact that there would be a company-wide policy from the top, that surprises me.
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Post by matisse on Nov 25, 2020 19:07:49 GMT -5
The fact that there would be a company-wide policy from the top, that surprises me. And not just that, the actual purpose of the policy was to exclude wheelchairs. It wasn't even unintentional. How could the person approving it not at least have some business instinct that it couldn't be done?!!?!?
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