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Post by blindLeap on Oct 20, 2019 14:05:12 GMT -5
That is definitely true. If you want to pray for me, I'd like it to be because you care about me somehow and want the deity you believe in to watch over me. I think that is rather sweet, even if I don't believe in that same deity. I really appreciate the gesture. BUT Do it in your own time, keep it away from me apart from perhaps mentioning it to me once and please don't pray for me to be healed. I am not broken, I am a human being with my life perfectly in order thank you very much and I don't need fixing or healing. That is pretty much my view.
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Post by HottRodd on Oct 20, 2019 14:23:16 GMT -5
Oh yea haha this is hilarious, has happened to me a few times in my life. I normally tell them that i believe in The Ancient Nordic gods and that i was injured in a previous life in a glorious battle against Loki (with a very serious and straight face) and that praying to Jesus/god makes them angry. And you do not want them angry. Most often this works wonders and the welldoers leaves the conversation.
This is one of the more degrading interactions in my opinion (along with the headpat, that one usually leads to a physical interaction with me), like we somehow "sinned" or made god angry, and got our disability as punishment. Fuck the ones who do this, you know nothing of me or my past choices so dont you dare come with your holier than thou and puritan bullshit onto me to make yourself feel better. You are not better in gods eyes than me or anyone else for that matter. Jesus healed the disabled, you can not.
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Post by Nate on Oct 20, 2019 14:38:18 GMT -5
Oh yea haha this is hilarious, has happened to me a few times in my life. I normally tell them that i believe in The Ancient Nordic gods and that i was injured in a previous life in a glorious battle against Loki (with a very serious and straight face) and that praying to Jesus/god makes them angry. And you do not want them angry. Most often this works wonders and the welldoers leaves the conversation. This is one of the more degrading interactions in my opinion (along with the headpat, that one usually leads to a physical interaction with me), like we somehow "sinned" or made god angry, and got our disability as punishment. Fuck the ones who do this, you know nothing of me or my past choices so dont you dare come with your holier than thou and puritan bullshit onto me to make yourself feel better. You are not better in gods eyes than me or anyone else for that matter. Jesus healed the disabled, you can not. Loki: I have an army. Stark: We have a HottRodd.
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Post by HottRodd on Oct 20, 2019 15:25:29 GMT -5
Oh yea haha this is hilarious, has happened to me a few times in my life. I normally tell them that i believe in The Ancient Nordic gods and that i was injured in a previous life in a glorious battle against Loki (with a very serious and straight face) and that praying to Jesus/god makes them angry. And you do not want them angry. Most often this works wonders and the welldoers leaves the conversation. This is one of the more degrading interactions in my opinion (along with the headpat, that one usually leads to a physical interaction with me), like we somehow "sinned" or made god angry, and got our disability as punishment. Fuck the ones who do this, you know nothing of me or my past choices so dont you dare come with your holier than thou and puritan bullshit onto me to make yourself feel better. You are not better in gods eyes than me or anyone else for that matter. Jesus healed the disabled, you can not. Loki: I have an army. Stark: We have a HottRodd.
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Post by zacc on Oct 20, 2019 15:31:00 GMT -5
the headpat, that one usually leads to a physical interaction with me) I hate the headpat, it pisses me off when people do that. It’s so demeaning especially from people I know well.
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Post by Dr. BiPAP Sachin on Oct 20, 2019 18:28:25 GMT -5
the headpat, that one usually leads to a physical interaction with me) I hate the headpat, it pisses me off when people do that. It’s so demeaning especially from people I know well. If any "religious" person were to pull this crap on me, I'd be like "Take your thoughts and prayers, and shove 'em up your ass!"
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Post by devogirl on Oct 20, 2019 21:27:43 GMT -5
As an agnostic, I would politely refuse in much the same way as devogirl . Haha well bojangler asked for a polite way to refuse so that’s what I suggested but that’s not how I would reply myself. I’m very lucky that no one has ever asked to pray for me but I have no problem being rude so I would tell them to fuck right off. I have no patience for the Jesus botherers. I don’t care how they justify it to themselves, what they are doing is harassment. I would not be polite about it.
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Post by HottRodd on Oct 21, 2019 0:51:47 GMT -5
the headpat, that one usually leads to a physical interaction with me) I hate the headpat, it pisses me off when people do that. It’s so demeaning especially from people I know well. Yea its the most degrading one by far.
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Post by erikajulia on Oct 21, 2019 12:14:28 GMT -5
You don't know that. Only no one is daredevil enough to tell you to your face. They may value their bones unbroken and their head safely on their shoulders. Or I’m just not worthy. I fear I've got no funny banter to give back directly. Sorry, my "believer"-part takes over... and if you don't want to reply to this, that's perfectly fine with me. :-)
You most certainly are. Everybody is "worthy" to be prayed for.
... but to get back to bantering: You just have to find the right people. Maybe you'll have to search a while for the right kind of Christians. "Word of Faith" would be one of the names you may search for, or the "Miracle Crusades" of Benny Hinn. Put your wheels to use and move around. Preferably on Sundays or Saturdays, and then park yourself in front of churches when services are over, and look pitiful. ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 12:43:25 GMT -5
Or I’m just not worthy. I fear I've got no funny banter to give back directly. Sorry, my "believer"-part takes over... and if you don't want to reply to this, that's perfectly fine with me. :-)
You most certainly are. Everybody is "worthy" to be prayed for. ... but to get back to bantering: You just have to find the right people. Maybe you'll have to search a while for the right kind of Christians. "Word of Faith" would be one of the names you may search for, or the "Miracle Crusades" of Benny Hinn. Put your wheels to use and move around. Preferably on Sundays or Saturdays, and then park yourself in front of churches when services are over, and look pitiful. ;-)
Maybe it’s a vibe I give off. I’m okay with that. And I’m not searching that, I don’t want google thinking that’s what I’m into. 😉 But this gets me thinking, I really don’t get approached much. Panhandlers don’t ask me for money as much, the Bible thumpers on the street don’t try to push their bunk on me, vendors aren’t as likely to try to sell me their wares. I’m guessing it is partly due to me roaring past at the death-defying speed of 6mph. Maybe it’s the look of intent as I’m not prone to wander. Or in some cases, they probably think I’m worse off than they are so I’m not a lucrative mark.
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Post by Dr. BiPAP Sachin on Oct 21, 2019 13:09:23 GMT -5
Well, given that many PD members have 5 stars, you could say that there are "Gods" amongst us.
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Post by someonerandom on Oct 21, 2019 16:56:54 GMT -5
And I also resonate with whatLinda said about the selfless act the person of faith participated in, standing in the rain with that sign. That sort of brings the Jehova's witnesses to mind ... here in the Netherlands they go door to door and try to tell you about their religion. To be frank, very few people like such encounters, and I'm sure they know that, yet they keep trying. Not because they're whiny bastards but just because it's that important to them. These people get ridiculed and laughed at but still keep going, I think that deserves a lot of respect even if you don't agree with the viewpoints expressed ...
When in University, I had a pair of Jehova's witnesses come to my flat regularly. They got to sit down, drink tea, eat cake, even discuss some religious topics. And we all would know the point when they would smile friendly, and I would smile friendly, and one of us would state: "Well, and our religious views differ at that point, and your argument is x, mine is y - and we won't get that together." And on they would go. They never tried to impose on me. The same with the people who stand in the rain and declare that Jesus is alive. They don't impose. And they don't take one part of me (or anybody else) and use it as a lever, making someone feel inferior or lacking.
If "your faith is not big enough, else you would be able to see/hear/walk/talk/use your arms, loose 50 kg or grow 50 cm" wasn't what is behind these offers of "healing prayers" - at least most of the time, and yes, if there are few who I wrong herewith, I chance it - I would not react as harsh as I do. But I have witnessed whole families turn to that kind of prosperity gospel - and then turn against the one disabled family member, because he or she is not healed. I have witnessed people perish, not because they were disabled, but because their families and surroundings either put so much pressure on them to "start believing the right way, and be healed!" or because their families and surroundings dropped them and banished them because they did not "start believing the right way, and be healed!".
I even know a girl who was hidden away because of that strange way of believing, because her family was so ashamed that they, although "true believers" had a disabled child. They did not want their church to know. A good Christian for them had to have a healthy body, a good job, and healthy children, else he was not a good Christian. They did not educate her, and when authorities finally found her and took her in custody, she had suffered so much neglect that she was not only (as she had been born) severely visually handicapped and with a mild spasticity, but socially and mentally retarded, and her body so underdeveloped that she never learned how to talk, walk or use her hands. That's why I react so vehemently to that sort of offer.
I noticed everyone breezed by this story about the feral child, made feral by twisted religious beliefs. That is fucked up! Reminds me of the stories from psychology textbook. Thankfully no one has ever tried to pray for me. I would approach it in much the same fashion as devogirl: with zero regard for politeness. None! There have been times where I felt it was being insinuated by a Christian that my paraplegia was some sort of punishment, but it was never overtly stated.
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Post by feelsunshine on Oct 22, 2019 4:31:46 GMT -5
I am not really religious in terms of going to church or stuff like that although I believe that there is some sort of supernatural thing that you call God or spirit or energy. Call it whatever. I don't blame people who pray for others and I actually kindof think that they mean well. HOWEVER they could still pray for anyone they want to and not spread it in their face. What is it? Do they need to spread it out loud to feel better about themselves, or do they spread it out to "show" people that they are religious? Sorry, people... I think the ones who spread it out the loudest are the worst. Because those are usually the ones who are religious on Sundays, attend services, and then leave church and talk bad about people behind their back.
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Post by feelsunshine on Oct 22, 2019 5:23:05 GMT -5
Uhm... are you guys serious about headpat? I mean do seriously people pat you on the head .... like one would do it to a child or something? I'm so sorry to hear that, that just shows how stupid people are. I had no idea. That's a gesture that would have never come up to my mind. Well lets say in a situation where you would put your hand on somebody's shoulder for encouragement or something, I would never think of taking the head instead. For sexual interaction or cuddling that's different, I like to touch the head, but this just as a side note, we were not talking about that LOL.
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Post by loreley on Oct 22, 2019 8:06:20 GMT -5
My partner and I have not really had anyone wanting to pray for him,I also think that here in Germany this is a lot less common - I would think that this is probably more the case where you have lots of Evangelist or Baptist communities. I would politely, but firmly decline the offer, but would certainly not be rude with them.I am only rude with people who are rude first.
They just mean well and in their world they are probably deeply convinced that their prayer will actually have an effect. I am in a Facegroup bird group with mainly American users and some have formed prayer circles over sick budgies, commanding them to be healed - super weird...
My partner has had the occasional pat on the head, though...from friends and even colleagues.
The most recent act of kindness from strangers had me in stitches on the floor...I was in Berlin on a business trip and he came with me. We took the manual chair which meant he had only limited mobility on his own. He was checking out a bakery/coffee shop around the corner from the hotel, decided it was too difficult to get in and decided to go somewhere else. He must have looked in the window too longingly, because the shop owner came running after him and gave him a bag full of bread rolls and pretzels, probably thinking the poor wheelchair users was homeless and hungry...
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