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Post by happyface2013 on Mar 6, 2020 7:07:26 GMT -5
Worrying times.
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Post by lizzy on Mar 6, 2020 7:37:15 GMT -5
World Health Organization says 3.2% now mortality. Worrisome that a journalist just returned from Milan and she said there was no stopping anyone or testing. Wow! Last night I watched Question Time (here in the UK). One of the panellists was our Secretary of State for Health, and I have to say he was excellent. Of course he was asked the question about airport testing. He said it is inaccurate for many reasons, and that resources are better used in other areas. One of the few countries that has adopted it is Italy!!! Ignore the scaremongering from the Press, and keep the faith! x
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Post by devogirl on Mar 6, 2020 7:37:56 GMT -5
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Post by blueskye101 on Mar 6, 2020 12:28:20 GMT -5
Not sure if I want to laugh or scream đ±
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Post by wonk on Mar 7, 2020 5:19:16 GMT -5
World Health Organization says 3.2% now mortality. Worrisome that a journalist just returned from Milan and she said there was no stopping anyone or testing. Wow! Without knowing unreported cases we don't have any real idea of mortality rate. However I think we are seeing a worrying trend from Italy 7 days ago there was 1000 approx confirmed cases, and it seems to take about a week to die, there are now 197 dead. It all seems so easy to predict the number of deaths by going back a week and see how many new cases there were. The last 3 days I told a friend it would be 30, 40, 50 and it has been within a couple
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Post by blueskye101 on Mar 7, 2020 5:24:21 GMT -5
My family live in Seattle and the streets are deserted downtown. The stores are stripped bare. My sister said there was a fight in Costco while she was there cause a couple had flats of toilet paper and sanitizer and weâre going to resell elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 18:19:37 GMT -5
I think there is way too much fear inducing and panicking caused by the media. Just use common sense. It is a problem that everyone and their mother is flocking to the ER for every little cough and sniffle. It caused my hospital to go into Surge Code, meaning we have been over capacity and overwhelmed. It causes issues with helping patients who actually need care. My son was sick with a flu three weeks ago and it was an actual flu with fever and all. He stayed home from school for a week and slept a lot, hydrated and that was it. He had not had anything like it in a long time. He is perfectly fine again. Now my husband has the flu and same thing, he is staying home, hydrating and sleeping. And just fyi, we went to a concert on Wednesday night in Seattle and it was sold out and we had a blast. I am not stopping my life, I refuse to be scared and I believe in using common sense. I do realize that PWD have to take different precautions and prepare in a different way. Stay safe everyone but don't panic!
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Post by hotpinkguy on Mar 7, 2020 19:30:58 GMT -5
On a slightly cheerier note, check out this Vietnamese coronavirus handwashing song:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 8:07:52 GMT -5
I think there is way too much fear inducing and panicking caused by the media. Just use common sense. It is a problem that everyone and their mother is flocking to the ER for every little cough and sniffle. It caused my hospital to go into Surge Code, meaning we have been over capacity and overwhelmed. It causes issues with helping patients who actually need care. My son was sick with a flu three weeks ago and it was an actual flu with fever and all. He stayed home from school for a week and slept a lot, hydrated and that was it. He had not had anything like it in a long time. He is perfectly fine again. Now my husband has the flu and same thing, he is staying home, hydrating and sleeping. And just fyi, we went to a concert on Wednesday night in Seattle and it was sold out and we had a blast. I am not stopping my life, I refuse to be scared and I believe in using common sense. I do realize that PWD have to take different precautions and prepare in a different way. Stay safe everyone but don't panic! I actually think we're experiencing a lack of factual information and urgency around the coronavirus here in the US, largely due to the fact that the president and others parroting him are claiming that it's just a flu, go to work, etc. Also, I don't think the media is causing a panic if the media is broadcasting actual WHO, CDC, and NIH updates which all say the same thing: this isn't the flu. It's much more contagious and much more deadly (optimistically, probably 10x as deadly as the flu, assuming way more people actually have it than reported which we don't know about because of a lack of testing available). Whether or not you think a 1% death rate is a big deal is debatable, and that's fine, you're entitled to think 1% chance of death isn't a big deal. But the bigger issue is how this will impact our healthcare system in the months to come. However, I would urge you to consider your grandparents or parents, your friends and family that have compromised immune systems, and friends and family that need or will need ANY healthcare services in the coming months. You mentioned "everyone and their mother flocking to the ER for every little cough and sniffle". This is a problem, but it's also poor framing of the actual situation. Do you think that Italy doesn't have enough hospital beds because "everyone and their mother flocking to the ER for every little cough and sniffle"? The reality of the situation is that it's a combination of things. Yes there is fear, but there is also a very real growing number of people that are going to need hospital care. And that hospital care that they need is going to infect people in the hospital who are also experiencing this new virus for the first time, including doctors, nurses, cancer patients, etc. In fact, that's the issue we're seeing in other countries which we're trying to avoid. This is why social distancing is so important, and why you shouldn't have gone to that concert. The warning from the CDC and WHO isn't that it's going to kill everyone, it's that it can potentially spread very quickly and infect a large portion of the population at once, overwhelming our healthcare system. Not just for coronovirus patients that may need beds or ventilators, or hospital staff that may need masks or suits(all of which are limited, most manufactured in China, which will most likely mean we receive less in future shipments than what we needed BEFORE coronavirus), but to everyone who needs healthcare services.
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Post by Manda2212 on Mar 8, 2020 13:31:44 GMT -5
To piggyback on @tc123's post, it's human nature to fear the unknown so yes, we are worrying about this more than the flu. Hundreds of thousands of people per year die from the flu but half of us don't even bother to go get a flu shot.
What do you suggest our government do? They have done much to attempt to contain this virus but it's NEW. They did not know that there was potential for transmission prior to being symptomatic. With SARS, another coronavirus, this was not possible. There also was an issue with the first round of test kits because it tested more than just for Covid-19 and the other portions of the test were faulty. Even so, with the virus being transmittable before symptoms appear, how can you contain that? Everyone is so quick to spread blame but sometimes shit is just inevitable. Is literally everyone just supposed to stay home for a few months? How is our economy going to keep going if we do that? How will we get food, medicine, etc. if our truckers don't go to work? This is just an impossible request.
We obviously cannot trust the information coming from China, but we can from Italy. The median age of people getting infected there is 60. The median age of death is 81. It sucks, but elders are always the most vulnerable. This also means the majority of us in our 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's would be ill, but would recover. Another thing worth noting is that two strains have been identified, the "L" strain and the "S" strain. The "L" strain is more deadly and aggressive but because of this, people get sicker and go get medical care. This is limiting the spread of this strain, which is good news for the long run.
Everyone needs to try their best to use universal precautions like we should be doing anyway.
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Post by wonk on Mar 8, 2020 13:38:22 GMT -5
We will start to see a clearer picture in the next week from Italy. Yesterday there were 1500 new cases and 133 deaths
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 14:03:09 GMT -5
@tommy Everything you "preached" is very clear to me already, I am not stupid you know. I work in a hospital and I get my facts daily in my work email, sometimes twice and local. And I give a s... about the president btw. I still live my life with common sense and without fear, the concert was packed with people and it was so fun, so yeah, don't tell me I shouldn't have gone. I guess you can stay away from crowds if you choose to. There is more on my mind but I don't want to argue. Do what you need to do to stay healthy and good luck!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 15:00:32 GMT -5
I actually think we're experience a lack of factual information and urgency around the coronavirus here in the US, largely due to the fact that the president and others parroting him are claiming that it's just a flu, go to work, etc. Also, I don't think the media is causing a panic if the media is broadcasting actual WHO, CDC, and NIH updates which all say the same thing: this isn't the flu. It's much more contagious and much more deadly (optimistically, probably 10x as deadly as the flu, assuming way more people actually have it than reported which we don't know about because of a lack of testing available). Whether or not you think a 1% death rate is a big deal is debatable, and that's fine, you're entitled to think 1% chance of death isn't a big deal. But the bigger issue is how this will impact our healthcare system in the months to come. However, I would urge you to consider your grandparents or parents, your friends and family that have compromised immune systems, and friends and family that need or will need ANY healthcare services in the coming months. You mentioned "everyone and their mother flocking to the ER for every little cough and sniffle". This is a problem, but it's also poor framing of the actual situation. Do you think that Italy doesn't have enough hospital beds because "everyone and their mother flocking to the ER for every little cough and sniffle"? The reality of the situation is that it's a combination of things. Yes there is fear, but there is also a very real growing number of people that are going to need hospital care. And that hospital care that they need is going to infect people in the hospital who are also experiencing this new virus for the first time, including doctors, nurses, cancer patients, etc. In fact, that's the issue we're seeing in other countries which we're trying to avoid. This is why social distancing is so important, and why you shouldn't have gone to that concert. The warning from the CDC and WHO isn't that it's going to kill everyone, it's that it can potentially spread very quickly and infect a large portion of the population at once, overwhelming our healthcare system. Not just for coronovirus patients that may need beds or ventilators, or hospital staff that may need masks or suits(all of which are limited, most manufactured in China, which will most likely mean we receive less in future shipments than what we needed BEFORE coronavirus), but to everyone who needs healthcare services. Youâre claiming itâs being downplayed by our government (leading to a lack of facts and misinformation being spread) and we should listen to our resources like the CDC and WHO, but the CDC itself literally directs people to treat it similarly to the flu: wash your hands and cover your mouth. Be smart. www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/prevention-treatment.html The WHO also suggests similar guidelines as CDC to help stop the spread: â Standard recommendations to prevent infection spread include regular hand washing, covering mouth and nose when coughing and sneezing, thoroughly cooking meat and eggs. Avoid close contact with anyone showing symptoms of respiratory illness such as coughing and sneezing.â www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses. What would be better for the government to recommend than literally what these organizations are recommending? What exactly are the âfactsâ here that are being mislead by the parroting people? They donât suggest quarantining yourself or stopping your daily life if youâre not showing symptoms, but to treat it as you would the flu. Also interesting to me, âjust the fluâ is actually downplaying something thatâs also very serious- In the US alone in the past 5 months there have been estimated 20,000 â 52,000 deaths caused by influenza alone, yet thereâs been no panic for that because we are used to it happening every year. www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm. People are panicking because there is so much still unknown about the virus, thatâs normal and has happened with every other new virus that begins to spread quickly like this. We donât have a lot of facts or data because we arenât getting reliable facts and data from China. Thomas, have you completely stopped attending school, going to the grocery store, or going to work? What are you talking about? Are you saying the CDC and WHO are not recommending social distancing? Absolutely follow all of the standard flu protocol, in addition to social distancing. Did you think that I was not recommending standard flu protocol? Do you think that a recommendation of standard flu protocol while leaving out the other recommendations makes some kind of point? What is your point? And yes the flu is dangerous, but you're citing numbers about a virus that is at maximum exposure. That's not a valuable comparison and has nothing to do with the current situation. This will be much worse as it spreads to the rest of the country, which will happen no matter what, but my point was the stress the importance of SLOWING the spread. If you do some math, you'll see that the number of hospital beds, ventilators, and masks that we have available will be at capacity in a month or two if we experience the same doubling rate that the rest of the world is experiencing along with the same rates of hospitalization. And I live in Seattle, so yes I'm not going to large social events. Most people here are working from home. Amazon and Microsoft and every other tech company here that can work from home is working from home. Not everyone can work from home, and not everyone needs to. And no, don't go to the grocery store every day, especially if you live with high risk people. Stock up on groceries in case you get sick, so you have the freedom to not go out and spread the virus to others. Schools here are shut down. There's no point to not try to slow the spread, or to advocate for going to concerts. It's just silly. Obviously, if you're in a state with no outbreaks, you have some time before you need to start shutting down your schools and workplaces, and the shutdowns aren't forever, just enough to slow the transmission rate. I don't know why you're suggesting I ever said anything about quarantining, especially in areas where the virus isn't widespread yet. What?
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Post by Corey on Mar 8, 2020 15:50:32 GMT -5
The numbers can be fidgeted a bit either way but I think wonk has it right. Also just using a bit of common sense all show this is more deadly than the typical flu. Although the elderly are usually those who are more affected that is not exclusively the case. There was that doctor in Wuhan who was warning about the virus who got it and died. Right now there is a 30 year old man in serious condition in New York. Etc etc. Admittedly I donât know the medical history of everyone who dies or nearly dies from the virus. Maybe they all have AIDS or leukemia or something. But there is 0 reason why a 30 year old who is healthy, or even many who are not healthy, should be hospitalized with the flu. As more reports of people dying who wouldnât otherwise die from the flu pop up it is worrying to me.
I know the media exaggerates. Itâs good for business and exciting in a perverse sort of way (I am reminded of a song I love called Vicarious by the band Tool). But Iâm ok with that because as a disabled person, if this virus is even slightly more fatal than the regular flu, itâs a serious threat. Iâm happy seeing the world shut down a bit. I was glad to see the company I work for on Friday halting all non-essential travel and using video conferencing for planned meetings and events instead. Maybe a bit extreme but itâs the responsible thing to do to prevent the virus from spreading to vulnerable populations.
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Post by loreley on Mar 8, 2020 18:48:03 GMT -5
I am in Germany and we have more than 900 documented cases at the moment, numbers are rising quickly. Experts here agree that all efforts to slow the infection rate down a bit are sensible at the moment. The ministry of health from today onwards recommends that all events with more than 1000 people should be cancelled, as corona seems to be much more contagious than the flu and they reckon that every person who got it will infect about 3 more people.
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