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Post by robbb on Mar 22, 2020 12:01:51 GMT -5
I didn't want to hijack another thread with this but did want to share it for any Covid doubters.
We have an issue here in the UK, especially in London with some people not getting the importance of social distancing, especially with the weather here being unseasonably good.
In this radio phone in I think you can clearly hear this London based doctor's frustration, and while it is obviously London-centric I think it appropriate worldwide.
Stay distant, stay home, stay safe.
R.
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Post by Dr. BiPAP Sachin on Mar 22, 2020 12:21:36 GMT -5
This implies the following equation: COVID Doubters = Idiots
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Post by robbb on Mar 22, 2020 12:39:30 GMT -5
This implies the following equation: COVID Doubters = Idiots I didn't say that, just want to spread the message of how important this is. R.
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Post by myrrh on Mar 22, 2020 13:11:07 GMT -5
It's not hard to just stay home and watch Netflix for a while. It's like, the smallest fucking ask imaginable in terms of aiding society. Sit down, shut up, and realize that the world is bigger than you. It's like the old saying, "no snowflake feels responsible for the avalanche." Take some responsibility, snowflake.
Honestly, seeing people doubt COVID when there's literally videos of Italian doctors having breakdowns in the middle of overfull wards with patients stacked up in the hallway has robbed me of a lot of faith in humanity. Maybe that sounds melodramatic, but, I'm an environmentalist and nearly all of my energy, work and play, goes into sustainability efforts. We need people to get on board with this, and if we can't even get people to acknowledge an active pandemic.... how are we ever going to save our delicate climate situation? Apparently altering any personal behavior for the good of society as a whole is just fundamentally offensive to some people, even when the evidence is immediate and obvious.
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Post by Dr. BiPAP Sachin on Mar 22, 2020 13:17:29 GMT -5
This implies the following equation: COVID Doubters = Idiots I didn't say that, just want to spread the message of how important this is. R. Exactly. You didn't say that, but I just did. No worries
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Post by robbb on Mar 22, 2020 13:23:08 GMT -5
I didn't say that, just want to spread the message of how important this is. R. Exactly. You didn't say that, but I just did. No worries Thanks for speaking on my behalf. 😉 R.
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Post by Dr. BiPAP Sachin on Mar 22, 2020 13:23:41 GMT -5
It's not hard to just stay home and watch Netflix for a while. It's like, the smallest fucking ask imaginable in terms of aiding society. Sit down, shut up, and realize that the world is bigger than you. It's like the old saying, "no snowflake feels responsible for the avalanche." Take some responsibility, snowflake. Honestly, seeing people doubt COVID when there's literally videos of Italian doctors having breakdowns in the middle of overfull wards with patients stacked up in the hallway has robbed me of a lot of faith in humanity. Maybe that sounds melodramatic, but, I'm an environmentalist and nearly all of my energy, work and play, goes into sustainability efforts. We need people to get on board with this, and if we can't even get people to acknowledge an active pandemic.... how are we ever going to save our delicate climate situation? Apparently altering any personal behavior for the good of society as a whole is just fundamentally offensive to some people, even when the evidence is immediate and obvious. Eloquently said
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Post by robbb on Mar 22, 2020 13:26:00 GMT -5
It's not hard to just stay home and watch Netflix for a while. It's like, the smallest fucking ask imaginable in terms of aiding society. Sit down, shut up, and realize that the world is bigger than you. It's like the old saying, "no snowflake feels responsible for the avalanche." Take some responsibility, snowflake. Honestly, seeing people doubt COVID when there's literally videos of Italian doctors having breakdowns in the middle of overfull wards with patients stacked up in the hallway has robbed me of a lot of faith in humanity. Maybe that sounds melodramatic, but, I'm an environmentalist and nearly all of my energy, work and play, goes into sustainability efforts. We need people to get on board with this, and if we can't even get people to acknowledge an active pandemic.... how are we ever going to save our delicate climate situation? Apparently altering any personal behavior for the good of society as a whole is just fundamentally offensive to some people, even when the evidence is immediate and obvious. Attachment Deleted
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Post by sy on Mar 22, 2020 15:32:27 GMT -5
I don't think anyone's doubting it but it is being misrepresented.
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Post by Amee on Mar 22, 2020 15:40:30 GMT -5
I don't think anyone's doubting it but it is being misrepresented. In what way do you think it's being misrepresented?
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Post by sy on Mar 22, 2020 15:58:33 GMT -5
I mean I can link things too, the media being caught inflating numbers or reporters getting caught wearing full hazmat suits when their cameramen are wearing civilian clothes. I mean half of us are bound to get it anyway it's currently in the pandemic phase and if half of us get the sickness it will become an endemic, like H1 N1 it will become a part of our regular flu season. I don't understand why people believe half of the things that are being spewed. I have lost a great deal of respect for all of the people being militant towards me for feeling one sort of way, this thread is a passive aggressive attack towards me. How do I know that you may ask? Because I am the only one who has claimed it is not what it is. You have to understand what I'm saying is not that it doesn't exist, however this fear-mongering will accomplish nothing.
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Post by wonk on Mar 22, 2020 16:11:54 GMT -5
It could also be substantially worse than what is being reported! Italy: in the city of Bergamo, there were 108 more deaths in the first 15 days of March this year compared to 2019 (164 deaths in 2020 vs. 56 deaths in 2019) according to the mayor of the city Giorgio Gori. During this period, 31 deaths were attributed to the coronavirus (less than 30% of the additional deaths this year) "There are significant numbers of people who have died but whose death hasn't been attributed to the coronavirus because they died at home or in a nursing home and so they weren't swabbed," said the mayor www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/Bergamo is a small city with approx 122,000 people
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Post by Tek on Mar 22, 2020 16:34:59 GMT -5
I mean I can link things too, the media being caught inflating numbers or reporters getting caught wearing full hazmat suits when their cameramen are wearing civilian clothes. I mean half of us are bound to get it anyway it's currently in the pandemic phase and if half of us get the sickness it will become an endemic, like H1 N1 it will become a part of our regular flu season. I don't understand why people believe half of the things that are being spewed. I have lost a great deal of respect for all of the people being militant towards me for feeling one sort of way, this thread is a passive aggressive attack towards me. How do I know that you may ask? Because I am the only one who has claimed it is not what it is. You have to understand what I'm saying is not that it doesn't exist, however this fear-mongering will accomplish nothing. The media dramatizing, sure. Please don't let that skew your opinion on the reality though. Just for clarity: Do you understand why people are being told to stay inside and do the whole social distancing thing? Because if not, here's a very simple set of numbers: There's a total of about 46,500 ICU beds in the US Hospitals around the country. If a lot of people get sick AT THE SAME TIME, the ICU system will be overloaded. People will not be able to get helped and people start dying. If everyone keeps hanging out as they do, a higher amount of cases will happen sooner and at the same time, rather than spread out over a long period of time. This is a bad thing. You are right, a lot of people will get sick regardless. The trick is to make sure that it doesn't all happen at the same time.
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Post by matisse on Mar 22, 2020 16:52:59 GMT -5
You have to understand what I'm saying is not that it doesn't exist, however this fear-mongering will accomplish nothing. I don't like the shut downs and I believe they could have been avoided if people actually followed the touch/wash/distance guidelines. But they're not. Even now. So these dumbasses have fucked over the rest of us.
I don't know if you'd call it fearmongering but one of the stupidest things the US government (yes that means tRump) has done is to call back US Citizens without any plan for doing it in an orderly way. So you have a ton of travelers to foreign countries--which are automatically classified as a risk factor--jamming the outgoing airports in those countries, jamming the airports here as they arrive, and then spreading themselves all over the US back to there homes. Does that sound like a good way to contain transmission? How could this not be an obvious result of forcing people back without a plan!?!?! More low IQs.
What are the specific things you're calling fearmongering? What would you do that you wouldn't call fearmongering in order to get our low IQ people to actually conduct themselves according to the anti-spread guidelines?
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Post by pam on Mar 22, 2020 20:23:08 GMT -5
I don't think anyone's doubting it but it is being misrepresented. I kind of agree, in a way. I am I isolation except for work, so I am listening. But I am from a small town of 6,000 and the surrounding area around me has about 3 cases, none in the hospital. Seems a little overboard to make everything close. But i am a rule follower, so I obey. A lot of my coworkers think they've gone overboard also. Several of them think they had this virus a couple months ago, before it was "well known". Yes, I've heard about Italy and China, etc. But if the malaria drug and the antibiotic work as well as France says, we won't have to worry anymore.
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