vienna37wheel
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Post by vienna37wheel on Jul 6, 2020 17:36:56 GMT -5
I doubt the audience was there because they were physically attracted to him .... They were there because of his disability, which I believe is the commonality she was referring to. yes but to me its a difference if someone looks and laughs at me or gets hot
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Post by someonerandom on Jul 6, 2020 17:46:53 GMT -5
They were there because of his disability, which I believe is the commonality she was referring to. yes but to me its a difference if someone looks and laughs at me or gets hot Personally I like it when they do both at the same time.
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Post by myrrh on Jul 6, 2020 18:03:29 GMT -5
I agree with missparkle, I'm curious about what you think of devs, and if the experience informed your opinion. How did you learn about the devs initially, and what was your gut reaction? I could see the idea of devs being really poorly received after something like that freak show. But on the other hand, it's something you went into willingly and fully informed, and took weapons grade brashness to even consider.
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usdragon
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Post by usdragon on Jul 30, 2020 17:12:18 GMT -5
Devin, just wanted to say “hello” to you, a true God.
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Post by devin1205 on Aug 9, 2020 14:20:25 GMT -5
devin1205 , big welcome to PD, this place has already gained huge with you joining it. I sincerely hope you are here to stay. Your documentary is really deeply moving, provocative, controversial and enlightening. After watching it, I can't help but wonder what's your opinion on devs. Do you find parallel between us devs and audience at the freak show? We can't ignore the fact we both, in a way, enjoy you being "freak", right? Is your attitude towards it the same, "I don't care, as long as I benefit from it"? I understand that my question is tricky and provocative one, too and I wouldn't normally ask it. But having in mind your movie and posts so far I'm sure you'll handle it well. So, I think I should try to break this down a bit by giving you a little backstory: I was living in Prague at the time that a director by the name of Simon representing the BBC and channel 4 in England called me out of the blue. he wanted to do a documentary about Freakshow‘s in America and called me to ask what my perspective was as a disabled artist who had been working in the “the normal mans world” I don’t remember how he initially got in contact with me but we talked about an hour over the phone. I was in a unique situation as a disabled artist because the existence of the freakshow for a disabled person is as profound as slavery is for a black person. What I mean by that is that I can relate to it in a vary honest and organic way as a part of history. People were exploited by the freakshow but also many used that exact exploitation to better their lives financially and even socially in a society that would have otherwise not seen them as human. My view was that I could not demonize it and had to respect that part of history with not just the good or the bad but just that it was a part of history (my history) that has in some way paved the way for me to be where I am now. So a couple months later I get a call from the same director saying instead of an interview on my perspective he would like me to be the documentary. Immediately I declined. I felt that even though it was a part of my history that I would be personally taking three steps back by performing in a freak show. Don’t get me wrong, I have always pushed the envelope in my career but I am very cautious about always owning that envelope. So for the next six months Simon courted me about doing the documentary and we became friends and as a filmmaker I started to see his vision. I was uncomfortable about the whole idea, But being uncomfortable is right before the point of being enlightened. And every envelope i stamp and put out into the world should be able to travel out of its comfort zone. So I did it, got paid, and moved back to my “normal rock ‘n’ roll life.” When the documentary came out, I believe it took me a little bit of time before I watched it. Which is what I normally do when I finish a project. I have to separate myself from it before I can watch it objectively. When I watched it I thought it was done well and I was happy to be a part of it. Anyway I can move a conversation forward, give me a sword and point me in the direction of the battle. it wasn’t something I ever did, wanted to do, and I don’t know if I would do it again. People have asked me to do similar projects since then, but I’ve always declined. l Sorry to take the scenic route to answer your question missparkle. As a performer who until I got asked to do the film, have always played for audiences who want to “see me play” before they hear me play. But my job as a performer is to give them the best performance I can give. I think the difference between the audience from the freakshow and my everyday gig is within someone’s own individual perceptions or opinions of me. I don’t believe people are attracted or unattracted to me based on where they see me perform. I believe the same way with devs in that context. Some come for the show and some come for the music. And with women I have been with in the past, I don’t know if anyone of them were a dev. I mean I never knew anyone of them to have been with a PWD before or after me.  And that doesn’t mean anything within itself, it just means that being a dev means completely different things to different people. I also believe that people who have been intimate with a PWD might in someway “become a dev” in the same way that a person who actually “hears as well as sees me play” may become more open to a PWD. Desire often does not have anything to do with the one being desired. The heart simply wants with the heart wants.
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brinzerdecalli
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Post by brinzerdecalli on Aug 9, 2020 17:23:11 GMT -5
devin1205 Dude, that is so awesome what you have done and accomplished! As someone who wants to do something in music, photography/art, and acting/directing, I really admire your pursuit and persistence! Would you mind if I DMed you to find out more about your journey and pick your brain some?
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usdragon
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Post by usdragon on Aug 9, 2020 19:51:38 GMT -5
devin1205 , big welcome to PD, this place has already gained huge with you joining it. I sincerely hope you are here to stay. Your documentary is really deeply moving, provocative, controversial and enlightening. After watching it, I can't help but wonder what's your opinion on devs. Do you find parallel between us devs and audience at the freak show? We can't ignore the fact we both, in a way, enjoy you being "freak", right? Is your attitude towards it the same, "I don't care, as long as I benefit from it"? I understand that my question is tricky and provocative one, too and I wouldn't normally ask it. But having in mind your movie and posts so far I'm sure you'll handle it well. So, I think I should try to break this down a bit by giving you a little backstory: I was living in Prague at the time that a director by the name of Simon representing the BBC and channel 4 in England called me out of the blue. he wanted to do a documentary about Freakshow‘s in America and called me to ask what my perspective was as a disabled artist who had been working in the “the normal mans world” I don’t remember how he initially got in contact with me but we talked about an hour over the phone. I was in a unique situation as a disabled artist because the existence of the freakshow for a disabled person is as profound as slavery is for a black person. What I mean by that is that I can relate to it in a vary honest and organic way as a part of history. People were exploited by the freakshow but also many used that exact exploitation to better their lives financially and even socially in a society that would have otherwise not seen them as human. My view was that I could not demonize it and had to respect that part of history with not just the good or the bad but just that it was a part of history (my history) that has in some way paved the way for me to be where I am now. So a couple months later I get a call from the same director saying instead of an interview on my perspective he would like me to be the documentary. Immediately I declined. I felt that even though it was a part of my history that I would be personally taking three steps back by performing in a freak show. Don’t get me wrong, I have always pushed the envelope in my career but I am very cautious about always owning that envelope. So for the next six months Simon courted me about doing the documentary and we became friends and as a filmmaker I started to see his vision. I was uncomfortable about the whole idea, But being uncomfortable is right before the point of being enlightened. And every envelope i stamp and put out into the world should be able to travel out of its comfort zone. So I did it, got paid, and moved back to my “normal rock ‘n’ roll life.” When the documentary came out, I believe it took me a little bit of time before I watched it. Which is what I normally do when I finish a project. I have to separate myself from it before I can watch it objectively. When I watched it I thought it was done well and I was happy to be a part of it. Anyway I can move a conversation forward, give me a sword and point me in the direction of the battle. it wasn’t something I ever did, wanted to do, and I don’t know if I would do it again. People have asked me to do similar projects since then, but I’ve always declined. l Sorry to take the scenic route to answer your question missparkle. As a performer who until I got asked to do the film, have always played for audiences who want to “see me play” before they hear me play. But my job as a performer is to give them the best performance I can give. I think the difference between the audience from the freakshow and my everyday gig is within someone’s own individual perceptions or opinions of me. I don’t believe people are attracted or unattracted to me based on where they see me perform. I believe the same way with devs in that context. Some come for the show and some come for the music. And with women I have been with in the past, I don’t know if anyone of them were a dev. I mean I never knew anyone of them to have been with a PWD before or after me.  And that doesn’t mean anything within itself, it just means that being a dev means completely different things to different people. I also believe that people who have been intimate with a PWD might in someway “become a dev” in the same way that a person who actually “hears as well as sees me play” may become more open to a PWD. Desire often does not have anything to do with the one being desired. The heart simply wants with the heart wants. I appreciate your talent and intelligence...you have accomplished so much. I have not seen the doc, but I am extremely troubled by the “freak show” description. You ARE NOT a “freak show.” You are a talented human. I was offered a feature from a local news station a few weeks ago, but I said no because I don’t want my work, which is much different from yours, to be overshadowed. You are an amazing talent that overcame obstacles to do great things. I’m sorry, but I feel a frustration toward people who would describe you as a “freak.” I’m glad that you gained positivity, but I just want you to know that you are anything but a freak. You are one of the many I look up to. Keep doing great things.
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