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Post by someonerandom on Mar 12, 2021 22:07:49 GMT -5
In my area a lot of people are getting vaccinated. It is heartening. Also, at the mall right by my house they’ve started a super vaccination site that I guess vaccinates the fuck out of people. While the company I work for still isn’t requiring vaccinations, the CEO put out a pro vaccine email to everyone, encouraging the “wait-and-see” folks to get their vaccine, and thanking the ones who already have. Last I saw, about 10 percent of the US is fully vaccinated, and 20 percent have at least one shot. I think this percentage should be going up more rapidly in the next few weeks.
Then we have to start thinking about the rest of the world, because besides giving a shit about other humans, if a virus is uncontrolled in another part of the world it can still cause us problems. That Russian vaccine that the silly man was talking about a couple pages ago, cheap to produce, effective, and doesn’t have to be in cold storage like the others. Hopefully this (or any vaccine really) can be spread around the world like that polio shit.
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Post by Amee on Mar 15, 2021 9:14:09 GMT -5
Meanwhile, vaccination is slowed yet again in Europe as a few countries have halted vaccinations with AstraZeneca after several cases of people dying of blood clotting soon after being vaccinated. The European health authorities have said that there's no indication of a connection to the vaccine, but the cases are being investigated and apparently a couple of countries aren't 100% sure.
Once again feeling a bit unenthusiastic about my upcoming Astra jab...
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Post by someonerandom on Mar 15, 2021 15:23:34 GMT -5
Meanwhile, vaccination is slowed yet again in Europe as a few countries have halted vaccinations with AstraZeneca after several cases of people dying of blood clotting soon after being vaccinated. The European health authorities have said that there's no indication of a connection to the vaccine, but the cases are being investigated and apparently a couple of countries aren't 100% sure. Once again feeling a bit unenthusiastic about my upcoming Astra jab... I read an article today (Wall Street Journal) that said out of 5 million doses of that vaccine given, they located 30 instances of blood clotting, which is a lower prevalence than the general population. It doesn’t mean there aren’t more that haven’t been reported, but hopefully that makes you feel better. If you take 5 million people who had coronavirus, you’re going to see they are way worse off than 5 million people who got vaccinated. Tell the nurses to put that shit into you intravenously with a horse needle, like it’s a fat shot of dope and you’re going to a party ☺️ |
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Post by wonk on Mar 15, 2021 15:31:11 GMT -5
Looking at this from across the world, it looks political rather than scientific. There were 30 cases in 5 million vaccinations.
Your chance of thromboembolism without a vaccine is 120 per 100,000 per year. So 10 per 100,000 per month
In a sample size of 5 million you would expect 500 per month and you have 30.
If Italy is so concerned, and has suspended use of the astrazeneca vaccine, then maybe they should be unfreezing the orders that were stopped from coming to Oz, but shock horror, they aren't
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Post by wonk on Mar 15, 2021 15:35:05 GMT -5
Someonerandom got in while I was typing.
There has also been about 12 million doses last time I looked in the UK with no extra reports of blood clotting
Australia's production of astrazeneca will be over 1 million a week and js being released Monday. I intend to ring my doctor and get a shot as soon as I am able, which should be within a week (I hope). This despite there being 2 cases in our whole country
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Post by Amee on Mar 15, 2021 17:27:28 GMT -5
Yes, I've read a little more since and I understand that the reported numbers shouldn't cause concern by themselves. It's the fact that half of Europe has now paused vaccinations with it, that seems odd to me. Why do that in the midst of a pandemic, when there is no scientific basis for concern? The only explanation besides honest concern that makes any sense to me is that people are increasingly unwilling to get vaccinated with Astra and perhaps they think people will feel better if they pause and resume after a connection has been ruled out rather than just continuing. Interestingly, my country has so far kept going with the vaccination programm (likely because of our still high and increasing Covid numbers).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 20:21:32 GMT -5
Haven't gotten vaccinated yet, but will be able to in April so that'll be nice. My household already has though, via their workplaces so that's kinda nice.
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Post by ProudRealist on Mar 17, 2021 0:36:49 GMT -5
Definitely holding back... maybe I'll get it in a about 5 yrs when it gets to an acceptable level of safety  |
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Post by someonerandom on Mar 17, 2021 1:05:37 GMT -5
Definitely holding back... maybe I'll get it in a about 5 yrs when it gets to an acceptable level of safety Your username... does not check out. |
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Post by wonk on Mar 17, 2021 23:46:13 GMT -5
There may be a delay in non essential workers getting vaccinated here.
There has been an explosion of cases in the last week in our nearest neighbour New Guinea. It is unknow how bad it actually is, as so little testing is being done, however 500 tests were flown into Oz to be checked, and 50% were positive from Port Moresby.
The Oz Govt, has sent 8000 doses today to start on frontline healthcare workers, and has asked the EU to divert 1 million doses that have been bought and paid for. No one knows if they will agree, as they seem to be asshats at the moment. If the European doses are not forthcoming, then some of the locally produced vaccines that are to due to start coming online next week, will be sent, Leaving Oz a bit short with obvious delays in the program
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Post by infinatedreams on Mar 18, 2021 5:19:36 GMT -5
Definitely holding back... maybe I'll get it in a about 5 yrs when it gets to an acceptable level of safety and its unsafe now? why? |
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Post by wonk on Mar 18, 2021 19:44:03 GMT -5
Every time someone says 'I am not an antivaxxer' it reminds me of all those people that say 'I am not racist'.
You absolutely know the next word out of their mouth is BUT
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Post by Nate on Mar 19, 2021 3:07:15 GMT -5
I got my first shot of Pfizer this past weekend; my second dose is scheduled for April 3. How nice it'll be to just like, get on every plane and go to every beach in Florida without fear of catching any shamy shames from internet message board meanies.
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Post by shadow on Mar 19, 2021 10:14:45 GMT -5
I got my first shot of Pfizer this past weekend; my second dose is scheduled for April 3. How nice it'll be to just like, get on every plane and go to every beach in Florida without fear of catching any shamy shames from internet message board meanies. That’s great, Congrats! |
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Post by shadow on Mar 19, 2021 10:50:19 GMT -5
There are other reasons as well, I’d get into them if I thought this forum actually wanted to have constructive conversations about difficult subjects, but I know that’s not the point anyone is trying to make. Love this. Maybe if you participated more than popping in once a month to tell us how OFFENDED you were, you'd know how silly you sound. In quoting you earlier, I was pointing out your double standard: it's healthy, enriching dissent if you post an opposing view; if someone else disagrees with you then they're a stupid poopoo meaniehead. But you're absolutely right about your consistency in tone. You should take your vaccine thing back to the zello focus group, because starting out by saying your doctor confided in you 🚩 about his vaccine skepticism 🚩 really throws up some red flags.🚩 Anyway, back on target. I'm glad so many of our folks have at least gotten their first shot. It really feels like we're getting close to the end, in spite of the best efforts of the Texan governor. We haven't seen much from people outside the US and UK; I've heard it was a total mess in the EU at first. Oh, I just saw this. No sense in beating a dead horse, but since I’ve been misquoted once again: My doctor didn’t confide any vaccine skepticism, nor did I say that. “My doctor supports my choice.” It’s no bigger conspiracy than that. Sorry about all the wasted red flags. Why are you struggling so hard to see the difference between defending people for being attacked for stating their opinions, and actually attacking people for their opinions? If I don’t like the way you’re talking to people, I’ll say something. I believe you would say the same. When I push back against the meanie poopoo heads, it’s not their opinions I am pushing against, but the way they choose to go about it. Similarly, you don’t like the way I am going about it and that’s ok. That’s why we are having these exchanges. But, If you can manage to find a post where I have attacked someone’s opinion, please PM me and we can discuss it further since I don’t seem to make sense here. |
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