Phil
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Post by Phil on Oct 26, 2009 11:06:49 GMT -5
I'd like to think there's something else beyond. But I think it's compost in our futures.
Sorry to hear about your friend.
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Post by Inigo Montoya on Oct 26, 2009 16:45:56 GMT -5
I am so sorry for your loss. I hope that you have the comfort of many good memories and that grief quickly passes to serenity. My beliefs are a mish-mash of Christian heaven and Hindu reincarnation. God as a recycler of souls and a question of "Do you wanna go again?" Death and birth are doors that we pass through as many times as we please.
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Post by vonvon13 on Oct 27, 2009 4:02:26 GMT -5
((((Fubb)))) Sorry about your loss.
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Post by Pony on Oct 27, 2009 10:47:31 GMT -5
Hey man, I'm very sorry for the friend- loss. I've had quite a few go over the years, and it can hit you so hard. Everyone has their own ideas what happens when you die, and it mostly comes from the religion you were brought up in as a child, but some of us have broken away from the traditional thought, and I for one, feel more freedom because of it. I believe in nature. I believe in human spirit, love, the Sun...power in the sea! I believe in a mountain where we all must go eventually. i believe all journeys end, and this life is only a journey.
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Post by doe on Oct 27, 2009 16:06:20 GMT -5
Fubb, I'm really sorry to hear about your loss. I hope you take some comfort in the fact that this special person will be looking down on you smiling and guiding you on your way through life. As to what happens in death, I believe in reincarnation, but I believe that bodily you aren't aware of past lives - I don't think deja vu can account for past lives. As an aside, I just wanted to say that your description of devs in the first sentence of your post is about the nicest I've ever read on this board. Thank you from those of us who struggle to find alternatives for the term . Your eloquence blows me away.
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Post by Ciao Bella on Oct 27, 2009 19:03:08 GMT -5
I am sorry to hear of your loss, Fubb (((hugs)))...events like this really do make one stop and take stock of his/her life so far and to answer your question...
Let me start by saying that I was brought up in a Catholic background, Sunday mass, prayers before and after meals, convent school, retreats...the works. But I was one of the few who actually questioned the whole belief system and pretty much rebelled against it because none of it made any sense to me. So as early as third year high school I pretty much convinced myself that heaven is what we make of our lives in this our present lifetime. I personally believe that there is no life after death, there is just the here and the now and we might as well live our lives the way we want to (regardless what other people may say) so that we pass on without, or little, regret. This, I think, is the biggest favor we can ever do for ourselves.
So I hope you take comfort in the possibility that your friend may have lived his life the way he wanted to, and having no regrets in his last days.
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Post by Triassic on Oct 27, 2009 21:04:27 GMT -5
i was present when my dad finally died of prostate cancer-after a very long struggle and decline. the instant of death was very clear; one moment living, the next dead...gone. watching his face as he died, i had the strong impression that his body was being 'vacated'...NOT simply being powered down like a machine that's been unplugged, the screens going dark.
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Post by dolly on Oct 30, 2009 10:33:45 GMT -5
really sorry for your loss, mr. fubb.
i'm a life-long "seeker". i'm not sure what i believe but i'm open to and interested in the possibilities. i was brought up with fire & brimstone christianity and that never resonated with me. i believe everything is energy and that energy transmutes and transforms but never dies. i am curious about past lives and reincarnation and feel that is quite plausible. i believe in the soul/spirit and that we are "all one" on the most basic of levels. i have always felt the support and guidance of a higher power in my life.
most of all i believe in the love we leave behind when we leave. i think that is the most telling testament of our lives.
sending you good thoughts.
x
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Post by dolly on Oct 30, 2009 10:35:25 GMT -5
God as a recycler of souls and a question of "Do you wanna go again?" Death and birth are doors that we pass through as many times as we please. i like this.
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Post by Inigo Montoya on Oct 30, 2009 15:12:54 GMT -5
God as a recycler of souls and a question of "Do you wanna go again?" Death and birth are doors that we pass through as many times as we please. i like this. ;D I was reading your stuff going... Yeah! Particularly this part. most of all i believe in the love we leave behind when we leave. i think that is the most telling testament of our lives.
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Post by BA on Oct 31, 2009 7:58:44 GMT -5
He had a great belief in God but he had very little time for organised religion. He took much of the Bible and applied it to his life. He was an extremely successful businessman and has left a great legacy, both financially and emotionally in the community that he lived. He gave me great encouragement when others didn't and more than anything he put his money where his mouth was. I am not ashamed to say that he helped me financially when I needed a hand up and he believed in me. I will miss him more than many that I have known and I miss him more than I thought I would. As inscribed on my Mom and Dad's gravestone: "To live in hearts we leave behind, is not to die". Whatever you took from this man, be it financial, emotional or spirtual, will continue to live on inside of you. This is the essense of spirit . Your task is to 'pay it forward' so that you can touch someone else with the gifts he taught you. Hugs to you Fubber.
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Post by Triassic on Oct 31, 2009 10:06:49 GMT -5
your uncle sounds like a truly great man. you're lucky to have known him so well. it's folks like him who are the REAL masters, the TRUE adepts and experts...because they live the life; they don't need to talk and talk about it, or give seminars on how to live right, or write books, etc, because their wisdom is obvious to all whom they may meet.
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Post by Pony on Oct 31, 2009 13:23:20 GMT -5
Hey Fubbulous, it's always a learning experience when you lose someone as vibrant and interesting as your uncle. I've sure lost my share, and you're so right...it teaches you that what you leave behind is the love and memories because our vessel is returned to the earth. We may believe differently on God, but I think we have many more similarities than the differences.
Your story of how he 'put his money where his mouth was' is interesting to me coz my aunt came to the rescue years ago when I was living in a tiny apt with no access to a shower. Three years I shampooed my hair at beach or under hose, and i was going to college at time time. I still don't know how I pulled it off, but my aunt, who is quite wealthy, said she'd buy a house and renovate it so I could use shower, and I could pay her back with payments, instead of paying rent payments.
Well, I just saw her last night at dinner, and I told her what that meant to my life, and I know it helps her inside, at such an old age, to know she had a huge impact on someone's life. BTW, I paid the mortgage off in 20 years, and the house is worth three times what it was. I could never buy a house today with prices elevated so much higher. I think it's empowering to give...to have a lasting affect on someone's life! It's a lesson I've learned and try to touch others in small ways either monetarily or emotionally.
BTW, I love your openness and honestly, man. It sure helps open the gate for me to express myself openly.
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Post by doe on Oct 31, 2009 17:17:10 GMT -5
Tony, your story is unbelievable - how can things like that happen in this day and age? It's all the more testament to the amazing person you are today . Fubb, a person's measure is what they leave behind and judging by your comments, your uncle was a great man, someone who truly touched you and others and left a positive mark on this world. It's all anyone can strive for really.
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Post by ozT4para on Nov 1, 2009 7:18:28 GMT -5
This one is to all the guys on here who cheated death or some disease and survived to become a SCI statistic and to all the girls who love them. What does death mean to you? Is it the end or is it something new. Is it all over or the start of another life? I was brought up, on and off, an Anglican (C of E), baptised, confirmed, altar boy, all of that. At 16 I decided it was all phooey. I don't think that life is a trial run but that life is all there is. However we are all made of star stuff and we'll return to being star stuff one day. After my accident and being knocked out with drugs by the doctors, I woke up in hospital at one stage looking down on myself in the bed, face down, with my mother at my side holding my hand. I could see the old aboriginal guy in the bed next to me, and describe him, and there was no way I could see him from my bed. I can't explain that one so who knows. My mother died this year and she believed that she would see my Dad and family again when she died and I have a vague hope at least for her sake that she was right. I have just lost someone close to me and inevitably when I go to his funeral in a couple of days, these questions and others will be on my mind. What do you think about when you think about the day your number is up? I've lost some friends recently and some are being treated for nasty things so hope they are all OK. I'm just hoping that when I die that I won't be there at the time to see it.
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