PWD; Does This Bother You ?

[gimpygay]

As we all know many Devs enjoy seeing Disabled people doing things that are physically challenging for us ( I call them "Struggle Fans"  .This is one of the things that angers PWD who are hostile to Devotees .I have to say that as I like to push myself and am a bit of an exhibitionist in private, it doesn't upset me at all. I think it is important that I push my boundaries and also that  Devs see that our lives are not always easy. Personally, I get a sense of accomplishment from doing difficult stuff myself and I get why Devs enjoy seeing how I do the tough stuff. After all, nobody is forcing me to do them.

[Braced4Impact]

If we play up to their fantasies, does that make us struggle sluts? I'm down for that.

[gimpygay]

Lol I think it does limpy and I am down for it too . I enjoy people pleasing !

[robbb]

Jun 30, 2018 8:54:08 GMT -5 @tykes said:

I wouldn't say devs enjoy the 'struggle' I think more likely they appreciate the different ways we do things and how we have adapted to survive despite whatever disability we have. After all I've been wheeling over 30yrs, there's nothing I do day to day that is a 'struggle' for me, I just do things differently and if a dev appreciates the way I throw my legs into bed and then the flex of shoulders as I swing onto bed to join her, well that's cool, but it isn't a struggle.

The only struggle I can think of would be walking, just can't ever seem to manage that, I'm fecking rubbish.

And I think what a lot of pwd think who haven't take time to understand devs is that it's all about the 'struggle' .... in my experience that's just not true. She doesn't want me 'struggling' into bed, she wants me there like a salmon heading to spawning grounds .... pronto .... vamoosh .... get your para arse moving tykes 😊

I can't speak for all devs but as ever Tykes you are spot on for me. Struggling is the last thing I ever want to see anyone do.

R.

[elbs]

I do enjoy struggling, but not if it's a real person in distress. Fantasy in distress or a real person struggling but not upset about it, that's great. (I was watching a video on YouTube of a guy who was learning how to transfer himself, with a spotter present in case he messed up, and I liked it. I don't think I'd have liked it if he was in danger of hurting himself, or if he'd been getting really frustrated, though. But if it was a fictional character, both of those would enhance the enjoyment.)

Sometimes I even use this to cope when I'm struggling with a task because of my own disabilities. I imagine how I'd feel if I was outside watching myself struggle with the task, and it makes me feel better. It doesn't work with physical exercise activities or social situations, unfortunately, because the triggers from bullying overwhelm any pleasure I might find in imagining what my own clumsiness and social awkwardness looks like from the outside. But it works in other situations, like when I get sequences mixed up, or when I'm so tired my legs start buckling.

[Julia]

I agree with rob and @tykes
I don’t want anyone to struggle and I definitely don’t get pleasure out of it. Like said above I find the adaption of doing things in another way interesting.

[gimpygay]

I am thinking that my experiences with Devs is probably down to my own sexual "Dark Side" attracting a compatible partner.

[Hopper]

I love adapting and testing myself when it come to doing things, but when it gets to a part where I'm struggling to the point of risking injury then I won't follow through and I'm very conscious of that.

As others have said though I think it's the adaptation and willingness to challenge oneself that's the attraction here.

[lucretia]

Jun 30, 2018 11:33:13 GMT -5 gimpygay said:

I am thinking that my experiences with Devs is probably down to my own sexual "Dark Side" attracting a compatible partner.

There are definitely devs who enjoy the darker side, as you name it.

I have encountered a couple here.

But most, by far, don't enjoy struggle in real life, in day to day life.

I've enjoyed watching alf bumping up stairs while I carried his chair. He knew I was watching and enjoying the view, and he enjoyed my enjoyment. It was definitely more difficult than if the elevator was working. We just wanted to get to the next level up and so we did. We both worked up a sweat for different reasons. We both enjoyed the effort.

Was it struggle? *shrug*

I think the dark side "struggle" that fills erotica, that bothers PWD, has a flavor of the involuntary. We all struggle to reach a goal. But it's not the same as struggling to get out of a situation where you are trapped.

There's a trope that makes the rounds here periodically. The dev puts the TV remote just out of reach and the PWD struggles to reach it. In this situation the dev is aroused by the struggle. It's a manufactured setting and the PWD is involuntarily participating.

This has actually happened, according to some members here. It's also a quick and easy example of the struggle I believe you are thinking of.

Many devs would be aroused by a fantasy, a fictional account, of struggle. Few would be so in reality.

[gimpygay]

I take your point lucretia. The situations I have been involved in have always been voluntary and would never involve me being injured in any way.

[el_steveo]

one time I dated a dev that would only let me touch her breast with my arm that barely works. it drove me crazy. but I also kinda liked it lol

[LaMara]

What's the opposite of struggle? Ease? Because that's what I like! A PWD who is so used, so experienced in what he does that it looks easy as pie but it's still a different way of doing something (opposed to the AB way).
That's sexy af

[Hopper]

Jun 30, 2018 14:49:28 GMT -5 el_steveo said:

one time I dated a dev that would only let me touch her breast with my arm that barely works. it drove me crazy. but I also kinda liked it lol

Just the one boob?

[Hopper]

Jun 30, 2018 17:48:04 GMT -5 @tykes said:

Jun 30, 2018 16:34:02 GMT -5 Hopper said:

Just the one boob?

just the one dodgy arm, 2 boobs would be self indulgent

Nothing a bit of motorboating won't fix.

[TotalBias]

I enjoy struggle, but not inherently disability related struggle. For example, I’m into bondage. I like watching someone struggle to free themselves and I like doing the struggling myself. It doesn’t make me more or less turned on if they’re a PWD when it comes to struggle.

On the other hand, I do get a bit of a dev high when I watch karotix5 do something differently, that many people less familiar with PWD might lump into ‘struggle.’ For example, when he eats or drinks he often uses two hands, but he doesn’t necessarily hold the cup/fork/whatever in both hands. Often he’ll hold an object in one hand and then use his other hand to sort of push up the hand holding the object closer to his face. I wouldn’t say he’s struggling, because he can effectively complete the task at hand (pun intended), but it’s hott to watch the added effort it takes. =p