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Post by matisse on Oct 8, 2008 18:37:24 GMT -5
I think lots of people are still 1-issue voters.
For me, I have always voted Dems for the presidential election, b/c I am generally aligned with the Dems view of individual rights (pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-do-whatever-the-fuck-you-want-in-the-bedroom, etc.). For non-presidential races I will sometimes vote Republican because I get fucked big time on taxes and I hate the inefficiency and waste of government.
I almost was going to abstain on the presidential race this year because initially Obama was going to fuck me to the tune of a 15% marginal rate tax increase. But that got pushed down to 5%. I don't like it, especially since a chunk of it is just going to be handed over to the people getting a tax cut. But I'll live with it in the hopes Obama can get some more liberals on the Supreme Court.
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Post by dolly on Oct 8, 2008 20:25:37 GMT -5
it's an interesting question.
i wouldn't consider myself a one-issue voter, and i lean pretty left so i can't foresee a candidate i'd want to support not being pro-choice... but if they weren't it would certainly give me pause for thought.
it's more of an ideology on the whole that i usually look at.
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Post by dolly on Oct 8, 2008 20:27:22 GMT -5
p.s.
i thought there were rules (health and/or legal) against flying after a certain stage of pregnancy?
i hadn't heard that story about palin, AB. weird....
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Post by Pony on Oct 10, 2008 16:15:16 GMT -5
First, I hate hypocrisy, and I just find a lot of the Rep policies double-talk. I'm like Matisse on the cultural issues - LIVE AND LET LIVE!! I have lost a lot of respect for McCain, which I had before, over this 'hate-fueled' smear campaign being waged now. They are fanning the flames of radical right-thinkers that just might decide it's patriotic the kill the opponent...that scares me!
John Lennon is one of my personal heros...
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Post by cunning69guy on Oct 11, 2008 10:01:24 GMT -5
Dolly,
I too am unfamiliar with the Palin story and will defer to AB's consistency in her posts, but for what it's worth, the ban on flying in late 3rd trimester applies to commercial airlines, not flying in general, so if you live in AK and you or someone you know owns a small bush plane or even something larger, or have access to a state plane (although she sold the "governor's jet" from the prior administration, she did have access to the plane belonging to the Public Safety Department), then flying is between you and the pilot (for that matter, if you were dimwitted enough to bring a mid-wife with the intention of an in-air birth, I'd wager that there's probably nothing illegal about it unless it goes terribly wrong!).
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Post by devogirl on Oct 11, 2008 11:56:51 GMT -5
Because I am such a dedicated moderator, I looked up the Palin baby story for you all. Here it is, from the Washington Post, no less (no blogs or internet rumors here!): "The episode that has generated the most stubborn questions about Palin remains her account of Trig's birth. She and Todd were in Houston in April, a month before the child was due. Palin said she awoke around 4 a.m. to find amniotic fluid leaking and some mild contractions. She did not seek medical treatment but said she consulted with her Wasilla doctor by telephone that day. She also delivered a lunch speech to the energy conference of a Republican governors group, giving no clue of her medical condition. Then the couple headed for the airport. They changed planes in Dallas and again in Seattle, and landed in Anchorage at 10:30 p.m. local time. Then came the 45-mile drive to the Mat-Su Regional Medical Center, where Trig was delivered at 6:30 a.m." www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/06/AR2008090603024.htmlIt's on p. 5, at the very end of the article. I am also mystified by this story--it does sound like she flew on a commercial airline. Normally women in late-term pregnancy are not allowed on board. My only guess is that she was granted an exception as a politician. The whole thing is just really weird.
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Post by BA on Oct 11, 2008 18:03:50 GMT -5
Thank you Devogirl. I was too lazy to look up the article, but it had been reported around various papers. I was really shocked that she had done this. I am very certain that she knew the potential ramifications of being in pre-term labor, with an already compromised baby and still having the gall to get on a plane and fly 1,000 plus miles. I certainly do not consider this protecting the life of your unborn child.
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Post by Phil on Oct 12, 2008 12:51:05 GMT -5
Because I am such a dedicated moderator, I looked up the Palin baby story for you all. Here it is, from the Washington Post, no less (no blogs or internet rumors here!): "The episode that has generated the most stubborn questions about Palin remains her account of Trig's birth. She and Todd were in Houston in April, a month before the child was due. Palin said she awoke around 4 a.m. to find amniotic fluid leaking and some mild contractions. She did not seek medical treatment but said she consulted with her Wasilla doctor by telephone that day. She also delivered a lunch speech to the energy conference of a Republican governors group, giving no clue of her medical condition. Then the couple headed for the airport. They changed planes in Dallas and again in Seattle, and landed in Anchorage at 10:30 p.m. local time. Then came the 45-mile drive to the Mat-Su Regional Medical Center, where Trig was delivered at 6:30 a.m." www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/06/AR2008090603024.htmlIt's on p. 5, at the very end of the article. I am also mystified by this story--it does sound like she flew on a commercial airline. Normally women in late-term pregnancy are not allowed on board. My only guess is that she was granted an exception as a politician. The whole thing is just really weird. Holy cow.
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Post by Phil on Oct 12, 2008 12:56:15 GMT -5
Even if our right to have an abortion was taken away, girls could still swallow combinations of certain birth control pills to induce their own abortion. And, Lets not forget the infamous "day after pill" Like Phil said; Abortion is pretty low on the list of priorities for me as well.. I think going "green" and healthcare are huge issues we need to deal with today, not tomorrow. Both canidates propose a fix, but even I know better than to listen. Its all propaganda. They all have their own agendas, and we always get an earful of happy days to come.. Same sh*t, every election. Go Nadar! j/k "Green" is, IMHO, crucial to our future, our health & security. It could crate an entire new industry of good jobs with good wages. That alone should help our floundering economy. Why it isn't on the front burner in this election, I'll never know.
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Post by matisse on Oct 12, 2008 14:06:04 GMT -5
Yeah I have the same impression as AB: Palin wanted that baby born dead.
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Post by summersun on Oct 12, 2008 14:35:17 GMT -5
we're already hearing too much about US politics in the UK already, but I am gonna be in USA on 4th November (day of presidential election) :S
obviously some people do but i don't think you should vote for someone just over one issue!
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Post by summersun on Oct 13, 2008 14:39:35 GMT -5
yep i am hoping for Obama! (not just over the war situation but obviously that is important)
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Post by Phil on Oct 13, 2008 18:14:41 GMT -5
Yeah I have the same impression as AB: Palin wanted that baby born dead. That or she's selfish / stupid / irresponsible or any combination of the 3. No matter what reason, it doesn't show her character and decision making ability in a very good light.
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Post by Chan on Oct 13, 2008 19:04:47 GMT -5
Speaking of scandal, the rumor I've heard the most frequently (in the internet circles I find myself among) is that Palin was never actually pregnant with Trig. It's supposedly Bristol's baby. The reasoning for this is because of A) Palin's super-human ability to do that whole scenario AB and Devogirl mentioned about going into labor yet waiting several hours, a plane ride, a speech, (and all the other factors throw in there as to why she didn't go to a hospital immediately), B) the day she announced her pregnancy she was reportedly 7 months along but didn't show any signs that she was carrying a child at all. All of her coworkers and friends were shocked because she'd shown absolutely no indications of being with child at all, especially the lack of an extended belly or weight-gain (although perhaps this could be credited to the fact that she was carrying a Downs Syndrome child. I don't know all the complications involved or expected)
Finally, C) Bristol Palin was supposedly missing from schools after coming down with Mono for several months . So I guess this is where the big scandal all comes together, it seems that a lot of people believe that Sarah Palin was never pregnant at all but rather made herself appear that way to cover up Bristol's illegitimate, retarded child at the age of 16. So right before she gave birth Palin announced that she was the one pregnant while Bristol was hidden away from the rest of the world and actually giving birth.
That took a lot longer than I thought it would to type out. But anyway, so if Bristol suddenly miscarries or something to that tune, it would be incredibly convenient for Palin since it would mean that her lie about Trig being her own child could never technically be found out.
God, I don't even understand what the whole point of this rumor was about. After trying to explain it, I don't even think I understand anymore. It seems really dumb, now that I think about it, as to why Palin would supposedly lie about something like this in the first place.
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Post by devogirl on Oct 13, 2008 19:47:55 GMT -5
I have heard that rumor as well, but now that more facts (ie that Bristol is pregnant now) have been revealed, it doesn't seem likely. Here's another article on this story, from the New York Times. www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/us/politics/08baby.html?pagewanted=1What freaked me out even more was the part on p. 2 where it's clear that she never told anyone including her own kids about the diagnosis of Down's Syndrome--they only guessed when they saw the baby. Don't you think that's something you would discuss with your teenage kids ahead of time? Seems like poor judgment to me.
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