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Post by BA on Oct 13, 2008 20:10:20 GMT -5
She is one hell of a freaky lady. Does she speak in tongues?
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Post by justme on Oct 13, 2008 21:42:46 GMT -5
When will people realize Pro-Choice does not mean Pro-Abortion? You can believe what you want and defend it to your last breathe, but it doesn't give you the right to impose them on anyone. I was born with CP to a 42 year old woman who was advised by many who she trusted to have an abortion. Trust me, I am extremely happy that she didn't follow their advice. I love my life and wish that every pregnancy could result in a happy, positive, loving, stable family dynamic. I realize this is not the case and there are many situations where ending the pregnancy may be the only answer. People who are "Pro-Choice" do not want women to have abortions. We just realize that it is each individuals "Choice" to do what they must. As for how much it effects my vote. It is just one of many that influence my decision. If you really want me to rant, ask me about Education or the Iraq war!
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Post by Triassic on Oct 14, 2008 3:51:27 GMT -5
what you say is true IN THEORY, justme...but i avail myself to a fair amount of far-left/progressive media; and i can say that the 'pro-choice'(gotta love that euphamism)folks almost always make it sound like abortion is just this wonderful, glorious, liberating procedure that any aware woman would want to have, and that abortion providers are all these fine, courageous, compassionate souls who selflessly do what they do out of conviction. seriously, it can be like that. it's kind of like how a lot of people who are Anti-Death Penalty end up being essentially Pro-Convicted Murderer...
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Post by Phil on Oct 14, 2008 11:36:00 GMT -5
what you say is true IN THEORY, justme...but i avail myself to a fair amount of far-left/progressive media; and i can say that the 'pro-choice'(gotta love that euphamism)folks almost always make it sound like abortion is just this wonderful, glorious, liberating procedure that any aware woman would want to have, and that abortion providers are all these fine, courageous, compassionate souls who selflessly do what they do out of conviction. seriously, it can be like that. it's kind of like how a lot of people who are Anti-Death Penalty end up being essentially Pro-Convicted Murderer... I've never seen or heard of anyone calling abortion a "wonderful, glorious, liberating procedure". But I do see lots of Pro-lifers that are pro death penalty, which makes no sense to me whatsoever.
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Post by Phil on Oct 14, 2008 11:43:22 GMT -5
Speaking of scandal, the rumor I've heard the most frequently (in the internet circles I find myself among) is that Palin was never actually pregnant with Trig. It's supposedly Bristol's baby. The reasoning for this is because of A) Palin's super-human ability to do that whole scenario AB and Devogirl mentioned about going into labor yet waiting several hours, a plane ride, a speech, (and all the other factors throw in there as to why she didn't go to a hospital immediately), B) the day she announced her pregnancy she was reportedly 7 months along but didn't show any signs that she was carrying a child at all. All of her coworkers and friends were shocked because she'd shown absolutely no indications of being with child at all, especially the lack of an extended belly or weight-gain (although perhaps this could be credited to the fact that she was carrying a Downs Syndrome child. I don't know all the complications involved or expected) Finally, C) Bristol Palin was supposedly missing from schools after coming down with Mono for several months . So I guess this is where the big scandal all comes together, it seems that a lot of people believe that Sarah Palin was never pregnant at all but rather made herself appear that way to cover up Bristol's illegitimate, retarded child at the age of 16. So right before she gave birth Palin announced that she was the one pregnant while Bristol was hidden away from the rest of the world and actually giving birth. That took a lot longer than I thought it would to type out. But anyway, so if Bristol suddenly miscarries or something to that tune, it would be incredibly convenient for Palin since it would mean that her lie about Trig being her own child could never technically be found out. God, I don't even understand what the whole point of this rumor was about. After trying to explain it, I don't even think I understand anymore. It seems really dumb, now that I think about it, as to why Palin would supposedly lie about something like this in the first place. I've heard that one, too, but it was proven false. The reason why a family would lie about it would be to protect the reputation of the daughter (and her family) from embarrassment. This was done many years ago when having sex before marriage was seen as terrible, sinful, etc.
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Post by Claire on Oct 14, 2008 11:45:09 GMT -5
I've never seen or heard of anyone calling abortion a "wonderful, glorious, liberating procedure". But I do see lots of Pro-lifers that are pro death penalty, which makes no sense to me whatsoever. Amen to that. How hypocritical is that? I wanted to add: I understand many people don't believe that a fetus is a life. But you have to remember that pro-lifers believe that life begins at conception. To them, there is absolutely no difference between having an abortion, and shooting your 2-month-old child in the head because it's inconvenient to have a baby around at this time. If you truly believe it's murder, then there is no way you can accept that people actually have a choice in the matter whether to murder their own child. It's like saying people should have a choice whether they commit murder or not. Just saying...that's a huge reason why pro-lifers are morally unable to accept the concept of individual choice in the matter of abortion.
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Post by E on Oct 14, 2008 12:18:26 GMT -5
Legalize murder.
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Post by mrjefffurz on Oct 14, 2008 12:25:54 GMT -5
of course, in certain religious faiths using contraception or voluntary sterilization is equated with abortion...preventing unwanted, unplanned pregnancy is a sin,,,abortion is a sin,,,cold blooded murder is a sin,,,byt, of course, you can escape these sins just by saying you are sorry & mumbling a series of words the directed number of times...
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Post by dionisia on Oct 18, 2008 11:33:36 GMT -5
I got this email today. thought u might like to read it.
Women and Sarah Palin > > FYI, The National Organization for Women has endorsed the > Obama-Biden ticket > for just the reasons listed below. They usually do not > endorse, but in this > case believed it was absolutely necessary to take a stand. > if you agree, > please pass this on. > > Friends, > > We are writing to you because of the fury and dread we have > felt since the > announcement of Sarah Palin as the Vice-Presidential > candidate for the > Republican Party. We believe that this terrible decision > has surpassed mere > partisanship, and that it is a dangerous farce on the part > of a pandering > and rudderless Presidential candidate that has a real > possibility of > becoming fact. > > Perhaps like us, as American women, you share the fear of > what Ms. Palin and > her professed beliefs and proven record could lead to for > ourselves and for > our present or future daughters. To date, she is against > sex education, > birth control, the pro-choice platform, environmental > protection, > alternative energy development, freedom of speech, gun > control, the > separation of church and state,and polar bears. To say > nothing of her > complete lack of real preparation to become the second-(and > possibly > first)-most-powerful person on the planet. > > > > We want to clarify that we are not against Sarah Palin as a > woman, a mother, > or, for that matter, a parent of a pregnant teenager, but > solely as a rash, > incompetent, and altogether devastating choice for Vice > President. Ms. > Palin's political views are in every way a slap in the > face to the > accomplishments that our mothers and grandmothers and > great-grandmothers so > fiercely fought for, and from which we've so > demonstrably benefited. > > First and foremost, Ms. Palin does not represent us. She > does not > demonstrate or uphold our interests as American women. It > is presumed that > the inclusion of a woman on the Republican ticket could win > over women > voters. > > > > We want to disagree, publicly. If you agree that Palin is > an irresponsible, > even dangerous, choice for VP, please consider > participating in this drive. > Gentlemen, send this to the women you know and care for. I > know it's tough > to understand the way this choice is impacting women, but I > have never seen > so many women so outraged, angry and distraught in my > entire life. We'd like > our voices heard.
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Post by Triassic on Oct 18, 2008 16:41:10 GMT -5
heh. 'fury and dread' i like that. that about sums up NOW. :0 jason's absolutely right; there are tons of women who are CLONES of palin. it'l be like voting for themselves. but she didnt get my vote, no sir! i just sent in my absentee ballot with a big vote for mr. obama...
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Post by dionisia on Oct 18, 2008 19:49:59 GMT -5
Well crap. I was all set to vote McCain-Palin, then you provide the devastating news that the National Organization of Women endorses Obama-Biden. That changes everything. Seriously, dionisia, you realize that there is a large number of women out here in "flyover country" who agree with most everything that Palin stands for, right? Yes, i do realize that unfortunately ( you ppl will all hate me for what i am going to say) the USA has a big amount of uncultured ignorant ppl, even being one of the richest countries, the level of education is very poor. on the other hand it is a place impregnated by racism, by the fear of "the other". I couldnt care less about who rules the USA since it is not my country. the only reason i care about it is because your government has my government by the nuts and whatever happens up there will end up affecting us (as well as the rest of the world) not only economically but also as a political tendency, since uncle sam always like his nephews to affiliate to the same ideas he does. I would love to see a black president in the USA if only to get a little hope that the ideas of the ppl are changing. I sure don't like any political party that subscribes to a religion since i believe government should be secular. Ppl have the right to worship whatever image, idol, singer or animal they prefer....in private...but as i said earlier....i can understand if you all hate my guts after this....sorry if i touched any susceptibilities, i promise i wont make any more comments on foreign politics. (i should have heard devogirl better) peace p.s. and i hope you understand i am not generalizing since i have friends and teachers(amazing, talented, creative and progresive) from the states.
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Post by Pony on Oct 20, 2008 7:23:32 GMT -5
Actually Dionisia, I feel almost exactly the same way, and of course I'm gringo!! One thing that has come up during this Presidential race is that if you criticize our country, you're labeled by some as 'anti-patriotic.' This notion is ridiculous to me! It's only when we can identify the wrongs that we can continue to improve America. I don't subscribe to blindly following your country NO MATTER WHAT - no, we must challenge ourselves to fix what's wrong. We will never be perfect, but we must set a course where we want to go and try and get there.
I'm afraid we have become complacent in America, and maybe allowed ourselves to take our high standard of living for granted - that's a mistake!!! Any empire can fall under it's own weight, and I personally hope that we can elect a leader that we can be proud of, someone who understands this challenge and can restore a better reputation than what we've had for a while. Let's move forward, not stay treading water in one place.
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Post by roger888 on Oct 20, 2008 14:50:45 GMT -5
I think its in the interests of the whole Western world for America to restore its reputation in the world.Where America goes ,we follow so I hope its a new beginning for America once these elections are over.
Could be an election over next year but I really cant see any improvement from the current lot that are in power.Difficulty over here is that every party wants to hold the centre ground so that means there really isn't an adequate alternative.Hopefully your not having that problem in the States.
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Post by Phil on Oct 20, 2008 15:13:29 GMT -5
Actually Dionisia, I feel almost exactly the same way, and of course I'm gringo!! One thing that has come up during this Presidential race is that if you criticize our country, you're labeled by some as 'anti-patriotic.' This notion is ridiculous to me! It's only when we can identify the wrongs that we can continue to improve America. I don't subscribe to blindly following your country NO MATTER WHAT - no, we must challenge ourselves to fix what's wrong. We will never be perfect, but we must set a course where we want to go and try and get there. I'm afraid we have become complacent in America, and maybe allowed ourselves to take our high standard of living for granted - that's a mistake!!! Any empire can fall under it's own weight, and I personally hope that we can elect a leader that we can be proud of, someone who understands this challenge and can restore a better reputation than what we've had for a while. Let's move forward, not stay treading water in one place. We had that " My country, right or wrong" mindset in the past, Tony. That got us a whole host of problems like Vietnam, Watergate, etc. It kind of went away for awhile but made a strong comeback after 9/11. " You're either with us or against us." This type of "Wrap the flag around yourself" thinking is disasterous. Jefferson, Franklin (and others) all stated that it was not just our choice but our duty as citizens to question our government. Government effectively can not, and should not be trusted to, police itself. That's when trouble like Vietnam, Watergate, Iran Contra, Iraq War, etc start. We must watch it ourselves. Our only "weapon" we have is our vote, but it's a powerful one. Those in power crave it and want it to never end. When we fall into the " You're either with us or against us." trap, we forget that our vote can make a change.
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Post by Triassic on Oct 20, 2008 17:53:12 GMT -5
yeah, well alls all i got ta say is: USA! USA! USA! NUMBER 1!!!!!!!
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