Devotee slash - another fantasy to discuss

[Cake]

For devolious fanfiction there are two special websites, Disability in Fanfiction and Disability Fanfic, they have it almost all:

www.familie3.com/disability_in_fanfiction/index.html

disabilityfanfic.bravehost.com/navbydisability.html

[devogirl]

The site Cake linked to is really excellent but it looks like it hasn't been updated in almost a year, which is a shame. It's still a great resource, but it sorely needs an update. Covert Affairs, for instance, has a ton of stories on fanfiction.net, if you're looking for some blind guy fanfic.

Also I must mention my original story on fictionpress.com, about a blind man in 1730s London. It's grown quite long, and I'm still updating. Apologies for flogging this repeatedly. But if you go to my profile, I also linked to some other stories on fictionpress that are also devo-friendly:
www.fictionpress.com/~devogirl

And apologies to any fans of Wincest out there if I was too mean, like I said, who am I to judge anyone else's fantasy.
Val, you're exactly right, the story I was thinking of is Road to Redemption.
community.livejournal.com/rd_2_redemption/73595.html
It actually has almost nothing to do with the TV show Supernatural, the two guys aren't even brothers (thank god). It's like the author used the actors as models for characters in an entirely original story. She even switches between the character's name and the actor's name at random. There's some good blind guy devo action, but both guys act just like teenage girls, not like real adult men, and eventually I got bored, so I never finished reading the whole thing.

[Cake]

Thank you for the link, Devogirl! I'll be happy to read your story, you're an excellent writer.

About the first of my links: Disability in Fanfiction does seem to get updated regularly, though not very often (the latest addition is from October 20, 2010; so that's not too long ago...).
I think it's only a matter of time until they add Covert Affair stories. As far as I know, they're always happy for suggestions and links.
(And for those who are wondering: No, it's not my own website )

[anais]

Cake, what a great resource! Didn't know about it, thanx a lot.
Went lurking to the "Other mobility issues" topic
(Is anyone surprised, that the first stories are about House? ;D)

Devogirl, thank you for your links. Can't wait to read about your blind 18-th century guy.
BTW, when I opened your reviews page I was immediatly enchanted by the phrase: "I love wounded hero romance". I could use it as a userpic

[Pij02]

It always makes me cringe when I hear people refer to things like incest as “wrong” or “disgusting”. If a sexual behavior, like incest, is going on between two consenting adults (harming no one), then it is NOT disgusting or wrong.

If a brother and sister (or brother and brother/sister and sister) decide to have sexual relations, using a condom and birth control to prevent pregnancy, why is it wrong? On what moral/ethical basis? There is no danger of an impaired child being born (even though the odds of any adverse effects from first generation incest are very low), There is no issue of rape or exploitation. I can see no logical, or rational, reason why they should not proceed with their relationship, if that is what floats their boat!

It is this kind of knee-jerk reaction of disgust and condemnation that has caused do much misery and intolerance for interracial couples, homosexual couples, devotees, and the list goes on. Whenever one has such a knee jerk reaction it is important to stop and look at the cause. Is their any basis? Is it a defensible reaction? Is it simply what you were taught to think? Is it what the majority believes and impresses on everyone? If everyone could ask themselves some simple question, before making a determination, it would be a much better world. In my humble opinion...

[shadow=red,left,300][glow=red,2,300]~Paige[/glow][/shadow]

[Cake]

Dec 1, 2010 22:37:18 GMT -5 Pij02 said:

It always makes me cringe when I hear people refer to things like incest as “wrong” or “disgusting”. If a sexual behavior, like incest, is going on between two consenting adults (harming no one), then it is NOT disgusting or wrong.

If a brother and sister (or brother and brother/sister and sister) decide to have sexual relations, using a condom and birth control to prevent pregnancy, why is it wrong? On what moral/ethical basis? There is no danger of an impaired child being born (even though the odds of any adverse effects from first generation incest are very low), There is no issue of rape or exploitation. I can see no logical, or rational, reason why they should not proceed with their relationship, if that is what floats their boat!

It is this kind of knee-jerk reaction of disgust and condemnation that has caused do much misery and intolerance for interracial couples, homosexual couples, devotees, and the list goes on. Whenever one has such a knee jerk reaction it is important to stop and look at the cause. Is their any basis? Is it a defensible reaction? Is it simply what you were taught to think? Is it what the majority believes and impresses on everyone? If everyone could ask themselves some simple question, before making a determination, it would be a much better world. In my humble opinion...

[shadow=red,left,300][glow=red,2,300]~Paige[/glow][/shadow]

Paige, I think no one here absolutely condemned it. I think we are a pretty tolerant bunch here in general.
I guess I can only speak for myself, but I condemn and judge no one for what they like to do as long as no one's hurt unwillingly. If I met someone who told me they had sex with their brother or sister I would never think "Go away, you disgusting freak!" or something like that (unless they told me they raped them).
But just because I'm generally tolerant, that doesn't mean I have to actually LIKE the idea, does it.
It's legitimate to not like Wincest fanfic and to find it yuck, it's a matter of taste, not a matter of judgment.

[Valkyrja]

Agree with Cake... Perhaps I failed in expressing myself... I don´t condemned incest or slash/yaoi... I just say that it doesn´t like me... with that I mean that is not the literature that fill my reading necesities.
Like Devogirls, the first slash I read was "Road to Redemption" and, b/c boy-boy action doesn´t make me feel anything..., I got totally bored.
that´s the explanation... I dont´like it because it says nothing to me... speaking about literature.

[Pij02]

Cake,

Of course no one is obligated to like it, or read it. I guess it is the use of words like disgusting, awful, and yucky that make it feel more like a judgment/condemnation that an expression of a benign preference. I find no particular appeal in the idea of incest, but I don't think the concept is disgusting, awful or yucky. (All words used in this thread, by the way).

I am not trying to attack anyone here for their opinion/preference. I am simply taking some (mildly) judgmental words that were used here to illustrate a larger point. Basically, I am just using this example to put forward my thoughts on the basis/rational for moral judgments on sexual behavior.

[shadow=red,left,300][glow=red,2,300]~Paige[/glow][/shadow]

[BA]

I have read a few of the pieces in the links that you posted and some of the writing is really well done. Thanks for the directions!

[Inigo Montoya]

Slash has killed chat. lol

[devogirl]

Yes, fictionpress and fanfiction.net have such an overwhelming proportion of crap writing that finding a good story can be like searching for a needle in a haystack. But I'm not the only dev on either of those sites. Once you find one story you like, look to see who else listed it as a favorite, there's a good chance there are other disability-themed stories on their favorites list too.

[lavly]

devogirl can you please link one of your favorite fanic... or just link it when you next read one that you love?

please... im thinking what you like most of us will like too

[Enid]

Dec 1, 2010 17:46:05 GMT -5 devogirl said:

And apologies to any fans of Wincest out there if I was too mean, like I said, who am I to judge anyone else's fantasy.
Val, you're exactly right, the story I was thinking of is Road to Redemption.
community.livejournal.com/rd_2_redemption/73595.html
It actually has almost nothing to do with the TV show Supernatural, the two guys aren't even brothers (thank god). It's like the author used the actors as models for characters in an entirely original story. She even switches between the character's name and the actor's name at random. There's some good blind guy devo action, but both guys act just like teenage girls, not like real adult men, and eventually I got bored, so I never finished reading the whole thing.

That story isn't even supposed to be Supernatural fanfic. It's Jared/Jensen, aka J2, so RPS (Real Person Slash). Ethics of RPS might be complicated, but they have nothing to do with incest. In some J2 they're still actors, but there's plenty of disability fic in AUs (Alternate Universes). I personally never had a problem with incest but it took me a while to get over my RPF (real person fiction) issues. That said, Wincest definitely isn't my cup of tea.

Anyway, there's a list here that some of you might be interested in: calamitycrow.livejournal.com/23130.html

There's a lot of shit there, obviously. But if you want to avoid incest the paralyzed!Jensen part might be interesting (the fics in the paralyzed!jared section are awful). I'd recommend:

- The "Battlements" 'verse (so let me set the battlements on fire) by calamity. It's a J2 with Jensen as a walking quad and it seems medically accurate!

- Date 'verse isn't bad either. A bit more fluffy (romantic).


And then, if you don't mind long stories, there's Redemption by neonchica on the paralyzed!Dean section. It's gen (no romantic pairings), but it's an enjoyable read.

The rest you just have to figure out yourselves. If you want to read J2 disability stuff, the easiest way is through delicious, they tag everything and very well. Just type www.delicious.com/tag/ and then "disability+fic" or use specific tags like "blind!jared" or "deaf!jensen" (hurt!jared and stuff like that brings a lot of h/c that isn't necessarily about physical problems).

Yeah, I read way too much fic.

[anais]

PIj02, I think words like "disgust" or "yuck" are mostly expressions of emotions that one feels towards a certain situatuon, not of moral judgement or rational opinion. I wouldn't want to sacrifice my emotional expression (any of it) on the altar of political correctness. Not on this board, anyway. Sorry, if it hearts your feelings

I also think that there are certain cirumstances in which incest is acceptable, or at least understandable. But we can't disregard the fact, that it is one of the strongest taboos that ever existed, so it is not surprising, that the limits of tolerance on this issue are mostly more narrow, than on other subjects. Most of us are taught to feel "disgust" towards it since birth.

[ruthmadison]

Ah, I don't know how I missed this thread when I was looking for info on fanfic.

There are a lot of acronyms and things to learn, aren't there?

I took a look at one of the sites and found this piece about NCIS. I guess it's nice and easy to picture Tony in a wheelchair from his days playing Logan. I'm on chapter three and I'm not sure yet where it's going, but the writing is fairly excellent.

www.fanfiction.net/s/2259112/1/Let_it_snow_Let_it_snow_Let_it_snow