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Post by Inigo Montoya on Nov 15, 2011 22:26:33 GMT -5
If the latter, I assure you, I am a total goofball with very low standards. ;D I think I can speak for several women here when I say... I'm tremendously flattered. Thank you! ;D
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Post by eddieb on Nov 15, 2011 22:35:07 GMT -5
I actually have quite high standards.....Indeed, I have to have some sort of feeling of respect or intrigue to be interested in someone. But while I definitely do not have low standards, I also definitely do not have 'standard' standards....In other words, what I admire or what turns me on is not necessarily what the average guy will admire or be turned on by.
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Post by Inigo Montoya on Nov 15, 2011 22:42:14 GMT -5
Lol... and what was it you do for a living, sir? Oh, yes, that's right... you're an attorney! ;D My faith is restored in that respect.
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Post by eddieb on Nov 15, 2011 23:12:43 GMT -5
Yes,...but I'm a civil rights attorney. We're the good kind of attorneys. (Do I sound like Glinda the Good Witch: "Are you a good attorney or a bad attorney?") Right now, I actually represent one of the Occupy movements....Just obtained a court order for the police to give them all their stuff back after the cops illegally took their computers, chairs, coolers, etc. Whoo-hoo!
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Post by Inigo Montoya on Nov 15, 2011 23:14:21 GMT -5
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Post by eddieb on Nov 15, 2011 23:34:19 GMT -5
Very cute Good Witch commentary. And the blog is right to explain how the Wicked Witch of the West was totally rooked. Another way to explain it is that, by the laws of testamentary succession, the Wicked Witch of the East's sister (i.e., the aforementioned Wicked Witch of the West), being her next-of-kin, had a presumptive right to the deceased's ruby slippers. (Oops, am I sounding all lawyerly again?)
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Post by audrewsmith on Nov 16, 2011 2:41:09 GMT -5
I actually have quite high standards.....Indeed, I have to have some sort of feeling of respect or intrigue to be interested in someone. But while I definitely do not have low standards, I also definitely do not have 'standard' standards....In other words, what I admire or what turns me on is not necessarily what the average guy will admire or be turned on by. What the hell is your standard? Since, there is little chance to sell you, you'd better find out what you want to acquire lol. You are a smoothing talking lawyer and confuses the ladies. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Inigo Montoya on Nov 16, 2011 7:51:22 GMT -5
You are... and you very lawyerly evaded my question about the bad kind of attorneys....
Also, never doubt BA's prowess...
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Post by audrewsmith on Nov 16, 2011 16:48:56 GMT -5
Yes,...but I'm a civil rights attorney. We're the good kind of attorneys. (Do I sound like Glinda the Good Witch: "Are you a good attorney or a bad attorney?") Right now, I actually represent one of the Occupy movements....Just obtained a court order for the police to give them all their stuff back after the cops illegally took their computers, chairs, coolers, etc. Whoo-hoo! obtained a court order for the police to give them all their stuff back after the cops illegally took their computers, chairs, coolers, .......4 plastic cups, a set of knife and fork, a dozen of paper clips........a roll of toilet paper....... ;D ;D ;D Come on, my proud civil right lawyer, any case you defended made to the national headline , or the state headline , or city headline , ....ok , maybe just your neighborhood headline ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by eddieb on Nov 16, 2011 23:25:45 GMT -5
Neighborhood headlines, yes. City headlines, yes. State headlines, yes. National headlines, yes. National radio, yes (just this morning in fact). On NYC morning shows, yes. ABC/CBS/NBC, yes. CNN Live, yes. Interviewed on 60 Minutes by Mike Wallace, yes. Yo, that enough for you? Hey, I was trying to be humble, but if I get 'called out' then, oh yeah, it is ON...then you gonna get served. (Yo, see, I ain't just about the lawyering thang; I can be 'hip-to-the-hippy' too) ;D
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Post by Inigo Montoya on Nov 16, 2011 23:44:38 GMT -5
To be honest, living outdoors like they are... the value of 4 plastic cups, knives, and forks are not to be discounted... Actually, I'm not sure that the roll of toilet paper wouldn't be among the most valuable of possessions. Eddie, do you think they're going to be able to effect governmental change? (Is that the right word? Is it effect or affect?) Do they need to have next steps planned? And do you know if they do? And congrats on all the exposure. Oh! And while I'm at it... thanks for fighting for my reproductive rights.
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Post by eddieb on Nov 17, 2011 0:15:17 GMT -5
You are very welcome on the repreoductive rights front. Luckily, in NJ, there have not been major battles for about 8 years, although we have recently had to fight back minor creeping into the rights here and there (like denying female prisoners access, forcing a pregnant student to tell her school whether she would be getting an abortion, fighting changes in regulations that make it harder for abortion providers to receive health department approval, etc.) Also, was involved in a crazy case where a woman (represented by a big anti-choice group) sued her abortion doctor for failing to inform her that, by agreeing to have an abortion, she would actually be killing a baby. The court sided with us (and the doctor) and threw out her case.
I do think the Occupy movement will affect change. It seems that the past decade of apathy is over. And the movement is bringing to the forefront of our discourse the issues of income inequality and that, because of the power of money in our political system, our democracy now systemically favors and give voice to only the wealthy. I wrote a blog on this...Here is just a tiny bit of that blog:
Occupy participants have decided that they will no longer stay silent so long as leaders refuse to acknowledge that the system has become more and more skewed to favor those with the most at the expense of those in the middle while leaving behind those with the least. They will no longer stay silent where politicians act as reverse Robin Hoods, taking services from the poor and security from the middle class to provide breaks and bailouts to the wealthy; where our democracy has become a perpetual system of Money begetting Power begetting Money begetting more Power and which, in turn, begets more Money. And until that perspective becomes part of -- maybe even the dominant part of -- the political discourse, it appears Occupy particpants will not be satisfied and will not be silent.
On the exposure, I used to enjoy it. Frankly, once I appeared on 60 Minutes and then the next day my life did not fundamentally change (other than my niece and nephew thought it was ubercool that Uncle Eddie was on t.v.), I no longer sought out exposure. It has come naturally because of what I do, but I get more satisfaction from what I DO than how others perceive it (or perceive me) thereafter. Actually, what gets me going in a good fun way is when I get negative or hateful letters to the editor about me. So long as I am pissing off the right people, I know I am doing a good job. ;D
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Post by audrewsmith on Nov 17, 2011 2:38:08 GMT -5
Neighborhood headlines, yes. City headlines, yes. State headlines, yes. National headlines, yes. National radio, yes (just this morning in fact). On NYC morning shows, yes. ABC/CBS/NBC, yes. CNN Live, yes. Interviewed on 60 Minutes by Mike Wallace, yes. Yo, that enough for you? Hey, I was trying to be humble, but if I get 'called out' then, oh yeah, it is ON...then you gonna get served. (Yo, see, I ain't just about the lawyering thang; I can be 'hip-to-the-hippy' too) ;D wooohoooo, yapppi! my daring lawyer, now you are on the right marketing track. , now you can be labelled as a successful human right lawyer. that is what woman like! ;D now dont go too deep in your law theory, keep the bad guy image and keep the conversation light! woman likes bad guy.
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Post by Lord Chatterley on Nov 17, 2011 6:29:39 GMT -5
Civil disobedience may be justifiable, in some cases, when and if an individual disobeys a law in order to bring an issue to court, as a test case. Such an action involves respect for legality and a protest directed only at a particular law which the individual seeks an opportunity to prove to be unjust. The same is true of a group of individuals when and if the risks involved are their own.
But there is no justification, in a civilized society, for the kind of mass civil disobedience that involves the violation of the rights of others—regardless of whether the demonstrators’ goal is good or evil. The end does not justify the means. No one’s rights can be secured by the violation of the rights of others. Mass disobedience is an assault on the concept of rights: it is a mob’s defiance of legality as such.
The forcible occupation of another man’s property or the obstruction of a public thoroughfare is so blatant a violation of rights that an attempt to justify it becomes an abrogation of morality. An individual has no right to do a “sit-in” in the home or office of a person he disagrees with—and he does not acquire such a right by joining a gang. Rights are not a matter of numbers—and there can be no such thing, in law or in morality, as actions forbidden to an individual, but permitted to a mob.
The only power of a mob, as against an individual, is greater muscular strength—i.e., plain, brute physical force. The attempt to solve social problems by means of physical force is what a civilized society is established to prevent. The advocates of mass civil disobedience admit that their purpose is intimidation. A society that tolerates intimidation as a means of settling disputes—the physical intimidation of some men or groups by others—loses its moral right to exist as a social system, and its collapse does not take long to follow.
Politically, mass civil disobedience is appropriate only as a prelude to civil war—as the declaration of a total break with a country’s political institutions.
Ayn Rand - “The Cashing-In: The Student ‘Rebellion,’” Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, 256
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Post by Inigo Montoya on Nov 17, 2011 7:34:08 GMT -5
Oh, sh*t. LC thinks civil war's coming. AGAIN. Imma guess that eddie is not an Ayn Rand fan, you stirrer you. Look, eddie's just trying to get a date here. And there's nothing wrong with that. Eddie, no offers to make a movie after your interview, huh? I've never been interviewed by Mike Wallace but I've had other experiences where I'd wind up on the other side saying to myself, "Really? This is it? Hmmm, I'd expected that to be a bit more... transformative."
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