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Post by Manda2212 on Feb 29, 2020 16:44:25 GMT -5
Thanks tc123, these must be US expressions, I've never heard of them, but they make sense. I meet a lot of Americans in my job and all (and I mean all!) are very keen to dis Trump if they get a chance, yet strangely he's president. Just an observation. ๐ R. It's probably a defense mechanism. Diss him so people won't think they may actually support him. Things said on this thread are reasons why someone may actually think about lying so they don't have to hear all the vitriol aimed at them.
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Post by myrrh on Feb 29, 2020 18:00:13 GMT -5
Thanks tc123, these must be US expressions, I've never heard of them, but they make sense. I meet a lot of Americans in my job and all (and I mean all!) are very keen to dis Trump if they get a chance, yet strangely he's president. Just an observation. ๐ R. The fact that you're mostly running into people who are so eager to disavow Trump isn't surprising. He lost the popular vote by the largest margin in American history. The people that did vote for him were overwhelmingly from rural areas- probably more likely to travel to Florida for vacation, not overseas. This is admittedly an anecdote, therefore not really useful, but a large swath of my family are Republicans and most of them have never left their home state. It's not unlike to the incredibly creative vitriol I've seen flung around regarding your own BoJo. He rose to power on a platform that is seen as a saving grace for supporters, and a legitimate existential threat to the opposition. Brexit isn't something that can be shrugged off, or risen above, or put aside; it fundamentally alters the basis of the UK. What's happening in the US is similar. We've pulled out of the Paris Accord, our leader shows active contempt for our historical international allies, and our citizens pay more per capita for healthcare than any other developed country in the world. Americans are scared. Some people look at the situation and conclude that the Republican platform is the way to fix things- put America first. Others look at this and see racism, xenophobia, and capitulation (or worse, happy submission) to runaway parasitic capitalism. So yes, the emotions are higher now than they've been in a long time. I won't say they're higher now than they've ever been, because at one point, America literally descended into civil war over whether or not it was morally permissible to own slaves. But yeah, things are bad now. The stakes are high, people are scared. And when the administration of your country is famous for blatant acts of flippant cruelty (like the time the First Lady wore a jacket that said " I really don't care, do u?" to visit a detention center where children in state custody were being held while their immigration status was being determined) it makes sense that you'd vocally disavow that administration. It's embarrassing. I wouldn't want to be mistaken for an anti-vaccine person either, and I'll often make a joke about anti-vax people when I introduce myself as being from my region (famous for a lot of people who have that position.)
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Post by robbb on Feb 29, 2020 18:03:08 GMT -5
Thanks tc123, these must be US expressions, I've never heard of them, but they make sense. I meet a lot of Americans in my job and all (and I mean all!) are very keen to dis Trump if they get a chance, yet strangely he's president. Just an observation. ๐ R. The fact that you're mostly running into people who are so eager to disavow Trump isn't surprising. He lost the popular vote by theย largest margin in American history. The people that did vote for him were overwhelmingly from rural areas- probably more likely to travel to Florida for vacation, not overseas. This is admittedly an anecdote, therefore not really useful, but a large swath of my family are Republicans and most of them have never left their home state.ย It's not unlike to the incredibly creative vitriol I've seen flung around regarding your own BoJo. He rose to power on a platform that is seen as a saving grace for supporters, and a legitimate existential threat to the opposition. Brexit isn't something that can be shrugged off, or risen above, or put aside; it fundamentally alters the basis of the UK. What's happening in the US is similar. We've pulled out of the Paris Accord, our leader shows active contempt for our historical international allies, and our citizens pay more per capita for healthcare than any other developed country in the world. Americans are scared. Some people look at the situation and conclude that the Republican platform is the way to fix things- put America first. Others look at this and see racism, xenophobia, and capitulation (or worse, happy submission) to runaway parasitic capitalism. So yes, the emotions are higher now than they've been in a long time. I won't say they're higher now than they've ever been, because at one point, America literally descended into civil war over whether or not it was morally permissible to own slaves. But yeah, things are bad now. The stakes are high, people are scared. And when the administration of your country is famous for blatant acts of flippant cruelty (like the time the First Lady wore a jacket that said " I really don't care, do u?" to visit a detention center where children in state custody were being held while their immigration status was being determined) it makes sense that you'd vocally disavow that administration. It's embarrassing. I wouldn't want to be mistaken for an anti-vaccine person either, and I'll often make a joke about anti-vax people when I introduce myself as being from my region (famous for a lot of people who have that position.) Good post. R.
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Post by myrrh on Feb 29, 2020 18:43:22 GMT -5
Thank you, robbb ! I know it might seem tedious to include so many citations, but these conversations are extremely important to me and I cannot stand seeing things devolve into emotion-based rhetoric. It's not helpful for anyone, and in the mean time, people are literally dying. A friend of mine, a competitive cross-country cyclist and lifelong type 1 diabetic, lost his home from medical debt, and then died because he was having to ration his insulin. This was a man who worked full time his entire life, volunteered for the local wilderness search and rescue organization, and cycled from Seattle to San Diego for fun. I understand the impetus behind conservative ideology, and in a lot of cases I think there's value in such an emphasis on safety over risk. The Republican Party in America, however, has become an absolute scourge. In my own home state, the party has walked out- refused to participate in any legislation and effectively crippling the local government- which could prevent the passage of a law to manage insulin affordability. It's totally, completely, utterly despicable. And yet, the Republican party has managed to get support from our citizens by making buffoons of the Democratic party. The Democratic party are their own brand of awful, for sure, but they're not even in the same ballpark in terms of aggressively exploiting their own base in exchange for actively harmful practices. I don't consider myself beholden to any party. But having grown up in a conservative household in a rural area, this is a really personal fight. It's my people the Republican party are exploiting, and I won't be complicit.
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Post by Utahquad on Mar 3, 2020 18:10:16 GMT -5
When did this place turn into fetlife. Turned into fetlife last night at 1am EST when I made my advertisement ๐. Iโm just a Bernie looking for my AOC. Except my ballsack is slightly less shriveled than his. And I would totally date Elizabeth Warren. There are a lot of us who are Bernies out there who are needing their AOC to save them.
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Post by someonerandom on Mar 3, 2020 20:05:43 GMT -5
Turned into fetlife last night at 1am EST when I made my advertisement ๐. Iโm just a Bernie looking for my AOC. Except my ballsack is slightly less shriveled than his. And I would totally date Elizabeth Warren. There are a lot of us who are Bernies out there who are needing their AOC to save them.
Shit man I don't think this Bernie could be saved, even if this Bernie wanted to be.
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