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Nov 24, 2010 16:36:13 GMT -5
Post by A££Y "Cuddles" Magoo on Nov 24, 2010 16:36:13 GMT -5
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Nov 25, 2010 15:53:51 GMT -5
Post by Dee Dee on Nov 25, 2010 15:53:51 GMT -5
Well, it takes such a long time for her to walk just a few steps ...is it worth it? She would move much quicker in her wheelchair. She´s happy about it, but what happens in the long run? (or in the long walk )
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Nov 26, 2010 1:24:19 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2010 1:24:19 GMT -5
It needs work. Its the speed not the arms. I'm way to practical to think that just because I'm standing that its an improvement. Next gen maybe two and I'd be interested. Basically the jump between a SNES to a playstation heh.
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Nov 26, 2010 4:29:57 GMT -5
Post by wheelieInCali on Nov 26, 2010 4:29:57 GMT -5
This thing is so unpractical, DD88 is right, she would be much better off using a wheelchair. I hate the tragedy and stigma associated with the wheelchair. It glares at me every day. The wheelchair is a great tool that people should embrace, not avoid at all costs. People struggle in their lives to take any option to avoid the chair, sometimes they debilitate themselves further. Society views the wheelchair as a sign of failure, giving up. They make power wheelchairs that can go up stairs or stand the user upright, using the same technology used in the Segway. When will the world stop viewing a happy successful person who happens to use a wheelchair as such an anomaly?
Food for thought? Maybe in this world, devs would have a lot less guilt?
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Nov 26, 2010 8:41:29 GMT -5
Post by pjdukegavin on Nov 26, 2010 8:41:29 GMT -5
This technology probably received a research grant from the government and is probably a version 1.8 (big, bulky, clumsy, etc) but was something that needed to be built, tested, used, abused, and broken before the version 2.0 (slimmer, faster, etc.) and beyond can be built.
I'll take the opposite stance, its about the individual's perception of who they are, and how happy/successful they can be, not "society's." Our spectrum of abilities defies a cookie cutter solution of perception by society...let alone how that person wants to be perceived.
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Nov 26, 2010 9:18:50 GMT -5
Post by wheelieInCali on Nov 26, 2010 9:18:50 GMT -5
The egg or the chicken? Our perception of ourselves is shaped by the society that birthed us. That societies mis-conceptions produce the individuals convoluted necessity to be seen as a walking member of society. Four wheels on the ground is safer and I'd wager far more cost effective than a robocop suit.
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Nov 26, 2010 11:09:21 GMT -5
Post by pjdukegavin on Nov 26, 2010 11:09:21 GMT -5
Yeah, but don't be so fast to think that your way is the right way for her or anyone else. Some people want a cure...some want things adapted better for them, some want both, and some accept things as they are. This device appears to appeal to one of those groups...its wrong to criticize them for moving forward (pun not intended).
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Nov 26, 2010 12:11:07 GMT -5
Post by BA on Nov 26, 2010 12:11:07 GMT -5
This topic has come up on the board frequently and I think their are some strong feelings and opinions on both sides of the coin. I like hearing what you guys have to say about it. Even if it's not my place to say so, I also feel that this is purely an individual choice. I do agree that society at large sees the ultimate goal as 'walking' - all the time. There are many programs out there that are geared towards the whole 'throw away your wheelchair' mentality and I think some people who enter those programs and do not reach that goal can become quite depressed and feel inadequate or lacking in some sort of 'willpower'. But it is a very, very personal choice - where some people could care less and walking is not even a blip on the radar of life and others feel very strongly about the need to be vertical.
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Nov 26, 2010 14:04:53 GMT -5
Post by E on Nov 26, 2010 14:04:53 GMT -5
While I don't see much benefit to walking, the ability to STAND may come in handy.
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Nov 26, 2010 15:08:07 GMT -5
Post by Emma on Nov 26, 2010 15:08:07 GMT -5
Yes, yes and yes. It kind of bothers me that EVERYONE who finds out my husband uses a wheelchair asks if he uses prosthetics. When I patiently and succinctly explain that no he tried them, worked with them for almost 2 years and decided a WC is his best and fastest option due to his legs being very short that kind of respond with the attitude of well thats too bad he can't walk. It's not too bad. For him prosthetics are really more disabling that he WC. He'd be much slower and less independent even though he could look the right height at a bar or step up some stairs. Sure is a personal choice but most people in our society judge that choice.
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Nov 26, 2010 15:35:51 GMT -5
Post by roger888 on Nov 26, 2010 15:35:51 GMT -5
It's not too bad. For him prosthetics are really more disabling that he WC. He'd be much slower and less independent even though he could look the right height at a bar or step up some stairs.
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Nov 26, 2010 16:00:53 GMT -5
Post by Pony on Nov 26, 2010 16:00:53 GMT -5
You should see how freaked out some kids are at McDonald's Drive-thru when they realize my hands don't work...fuck walkin, I just want to grab something!!
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Nov 26, 2010 18:12:22 GMT -5
Post by wonk on Nov 26, 2010 18:12:22 GMT -5
I have a parawalker which is a pretty cool device, will find an old pic later and post on here. I need to lose some weight to be able to use it.
Even though it is promoted as a means of getting around and standing up,, etc for me I think it is good to help put weight on bones and help bladder and kydneys etc.
The amount of effort required to go 50 metres is about the same as 10km in a chair.
I have also thought about buying a standup chair, but again purely for the health aspect.
Not being able to walk is probably the thing that effects me least about my SCI. I think people that have very little experience with SCI dont realise this, and assume if they can just help us walk then the world will be rosie.
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Nov 26, 2010 18:26:33 GMT -5
Post by Dee Dee on Nov 26, 2010 18:26:33 GMT -5
I agree very much with you BA, it is indeed an individual choice. In this instance though, with the girl in the video clip, it seems to me that she becomes "more handicapped" by using the device. How could it ever become practical in daily life?
Also, she´s happy about it, just look at her eyes the moment the device helps her stand up, but what if it turns out to be a disappointment after all? It may have some unknown side effects that cause her to give it up.
It´s always an ethical dilemma when human beings are being used in different kinds of experiments. As Mellowcanuck said in the above, this is probably the test version.
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Nov 26, 2010 19:58:37 GMT -5
Post by wonk on Nov 26, 2010 19:58:37 GMT -5
I know it is not the same as it is not powered but the idea, and the reasoning and response is much the same
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