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Post by AlrightyAphrodite on Oct 26, 2019 16:15:13 GMT -5
On the mountain biking while blind topic: I met a guy who uses echolocation to mountain bike. He was a really cool dude. I was bartending and he had the whole bar cracking up and listening to him speak on various things. It was an awesome experience meeting him. Found this video that gives more insight into how he mountain bikes Btw, there's a version with audio descriptions hereI know a guy who is losing his vision who was sad he had to give up biking... Excited to show him this. Thanks for sharing
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Post by blindlover on Dec 16, 2019 7:14:31 GMT -5
Thank you so much for testing! Yea, so they just had to promote the cliche. Well, the table is a four chair table and big enough, the cane has it's own place, so to say. ;-) Makes me wonder... how could they have communicated his blindness in the same environment without the cane and the dark glasses? Doing it that way was easy, how would it have been still clear but subtle and clever all the same? I'm not a creative person, so I'm at a loss. Not a blindness-related question, but one I have when looking at the glasses of wine: That wine has a beautiful dark color - one I connect with: "Just smell it, EJ, don't drink it, it's dry enough to shrivel your tongue. Enjoy the bouquet with your nose - and order grape juice!" Do you like wine? Would you be interested in a wine-tasting-tour? (Is it something people under 50 do?)
But I would, a lot. I'm 27 and I can say that wine is by far my favourite alcoholic Beverage. With my dad, I wend to the Bourgogne and Chianti Area's and tasted the flavours of many wine producers there. That sparked the red and white fire and now it is a thing I try to do whenever I visit a wine producing country.
Not sure my blindness has much to do with it though, but rather the 900 bottles my dad stores at his home seller
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Post by blindlover on Dec 16, 2019 7:24:14 GMT -5
Oh my god, it has been so long since I checked in here, and apparently my app didn't think it was worth notifying me that this topic has been well alive in my absence . Special thanks to blindLeap for providing insights that all resonate in me deeply. I would like to breathe some new life in this tread by mentioning a fairly heated but good natured discussion I had with some other blind friends while travelling in India not so long ago. At some point, one of the Indian volunteers we were travelling with asked us what our favourite colour was. Some of us named one, others didn't since we obviously can't see them. Immediately the discussion took over with as main question, can we like a colour even when we have never perceived it? I'm just wondering what you guys think about that one... Have a nice day everyone and it's nice to pop in again
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Post by manicpixiememegirl on Dec 16, 2019 9:31:02 GMT -5
Oh my god, it has been so long since I checked in here, and apparently my app didn't think it was worth notifying me that this topic has been well alive in my absence . Special thanks to blindLeap for providing insights that all resonate in me deeply. I would like to breathe some new life in this tread by mentioning a fairly heated but good natured discussion I had with some other blind friends while travelling in India not so long ago. At some point, one of the Indian volunteers we were travelling with asked us what our favourite colour was. Some of us named one, others didn't since we obviously can't see them. Immediately the discussion took over with as main question, can we like a colour even when we have never perceived it? I'm just wondering what you guys think about that one... Have a nice day everyone and it's nice to pop in again This is such an interesting question! Obviously colours have connotations beyond their visual representation, such as blue being calming or red representing passion. How much of a certain colour's appeal is based on how it makes us feel vs how it looks? Out of curiosity, do you have a favourite colour?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 10:04:05 GMT -5
At some point, one of the Indian volunteers we were travelling with asked us what our favourite colour was. Some of us named one, others didn't since we obviously can't see them. Immediately the discussion took over with as main question, can we like a colour even when we have never perceived it? If the part of the brain that processes images is functional but the eyes are not, is it possible to 'see' colours in your mind's eye? Or does that part of the brain adopt some other function over time? I'm also thinking that what you hear on the radio, TV or from sighted people will allow you to build some idea of what each colour means and its associations, albeit one that I can't possibly comprehend.
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Post by blindLeap on Dec 16, 2019 17:14:11 GMT -5
blindlover good to see you pop in Hmm ...good question, honestly regarding the colors. I always say my favorite color is blue, but that's I think mainly because that is my mom's favorite color and she told me that at a very young age. I am a web developer, so have to do with colors more than i'd like to think about , but it's honestly never really clicked for me. I know what colors make up other colors but it's all very ...clinical, formulaic for me really.
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Post by erikajulia on Dec 21, 2019 9:35:05 GMT -5
Immediately the discussion took over with as main question, can we like a colour even when we have never perceived it? I'm just wondering what you guys think about that one... Hmmp. To me that sounds like the question "which ultrasound do you like best" or maybe "which shade of ultraviolet or infrared do you like best"? Knowing that bumblebees like certain shades of ultraviolet more than others, and that wasps like different shades more, I would probably say I like the shades of ultraviolet the bumblebees like, because I like bumblebees and don't like wasps. But that would be an answer derived only from "social interaction", so to say, nothing that has a meaning to me by own experience. So yes, I think one can like or dislike something you never have perceived - the question is how valid such a like or dislike is.
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Post by myrrh on Dec 22, 2019 4:08:23 GMT -5
blindlover good to see you pop in Hmm ...good question, honestly regarding the colors. I always say my favorite color is blue, but that's I think mainly because that is my mom's favorite color and she told me that at a very young age. I am a web developer, so have to do with colors more than i'd like to think about , but it's honestly never really clicked for me. I know what colors make up other colors but it's all very ...clinical, formulaic for me really. What do you have to do with colors? I assume you have to handle hex codes, based upon your post? If so, ironically, you'd probably do pretty well with a browser-based game I made a couple of years ago. It would generate a random color and present the player with the color encoded in three common ways: the hex codes you probably use as a web dev, HSL values (which I'm told are popular with artists? idk) and CIELAB. The player was then presented with a field of randomly colored tiles, and would have to select the tile that matched the code. Obviously that last bit makes it unplayable, but, I bet you'd kill the interpretation bit with your formulaic view of colors. I grew up making digital art and was intimately familiar with hex codes, so I made the game to help me forge the connection between hex codes and CIELAB values (which I used for work, but was previously unfamiliar with.) I got everyone at work playing the game, but nobody really got to the point where they could interpret a hex code on the fly. Actually, it's probably totally useless to you at this point, but I wonder if the CIELAB color space would have been a more intuitive way to learn to conceptualize colors. It basically contains all of the colors in a sphere (ok ok technically an ellipsoid) where each axis effects the color in a different way. It's nice because it's a little more contained than hex codes; with hex, not only do you have to consider the values themselves, but you have to consider their relationships to each other. With CIELAB, it's literally just x, y, and z coordinates within the sphere. You can also take the difference between two color "points" and come up with a vector or number to represent how different the two colors are. Anyway, thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
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Post by blindLeap on Dec 22, 2019 4:20:25 GMT -5
Hahaha I am not quite up to the point where I can interpret hex codes, I'm afraid. The problem there is that I only know how a handful of colors work as it were, and all I can do from there is see if the hex I'm seeing is in some way close to those handful of colors. If so I can sort of estimate at least what major color group I'm looking at, but for others I really just have to throw it into a tool to get the little textual descriptor most hex codes have. That doesn't always help me further, but I try :-)
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Post by blindlover on Dec 22, 2019 7:52:02 GMT -5
Oh my god, it has been so long since I checked in here, and apparently my app didn't think it was worth notifying me that this topic has been well alive in my absence . Special thanks to blindLeap for providing insights that all resonate in me deeply. I would like to breathe some new life in this tread by mentioning a fairly heated but good natured discussion I had with some other blind friends while travelling in India not so long ago. At some point, one of the Indian volunteers we were travelling with asked us what our favourite colour was. Some of us named one, others didn't since we obviously can't see them. Immediately the discussion took over with as main question, can we like a colour even when we have never perceived it? I'm just wondering what you guys think about that one... Have a nice day everyone and it's nice to pop in again This is such an interesting question! Obviously colours have connotations beyond their visual representation, such as blue being calming or red representing passion. How much of a certain colour's appeal is based on how it makes us feel vs how it looks? Out of curiosity, do you have a favourite colour?
I had one , it was blue, but it was mostly because I liked the sound of the word in my language as well as some associations I read in literature. Later, I realized that off all things,colours are so visual in nature that it was hard for me, being blind without light perception, to like them. I agree with people saying that you can like things you haven't experienced first hand. For example I can like the design and features of the newest I Phone, although I never saw or touched it. But for me the visual concepts of a colour make up it's essence, rather than the social connotations, which in my view stem from these visual characteristics. Also, there are individual differences in how colours are perceived and I feel this accounts for a substantial amount of peoples difference in Colour-taste. This has led me to drop my favourite colour because I believe my liking was based on the subjective feelings and social norms of the people and the culture around me and hence, indeed, not reliable, and not my own ...
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Post by blindlover on Dec 22, 2019 8:00:29 GMT -5
At some point, one of the Indian volunteers we were travelling with asked us what our favourite colour was. Some of us named one, others didn't since we obviously can't see them. Immediately the discussion took over with as main question, can we like a colour even when we have never perceived it? If the part of the brain that processes images is functional but the eyes are not, is it possible to 'see' colours in your mind's eye? Or does that part of the brain adopt some other function over time? I'm also thinking that what you hear on the radio, TV or from sighted people will allow you to build some idea of what each colour means and its associations, albeit one that I can't possibly comprehend.
Deleted or not, It's a valid question. Basically, the brain can only work with what it has been given. There is not something like an inherent dictionary or framework for colours and for that part, visual imagery in our brain. That means people like me, who have never experienced any sight, don't know what seeing is or feels like. That also means, we don't think or imagine in visual terms, so also not in colour. This is not to be confused with spacial thinking or imagination, which we certainly do.
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Post by devogirl on Dec 22, 2019 8:32:28 GMT -5
This is such an interesting discussion! So this article is quite old but I just found it today: www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-can-some-blind-people-process/Apparently some researchers found evidence that blind people are able to understand super fast audio playback because they have remapped part of the visual processing center of the brain.
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Post by blindLeap on Dec 22, 2019 11:20:59 GMT -5
If the part of the brain that processes images is functional but the eyes are not, is it possible to 'see' colours in your mind's eye? Or does that part of the brain adopt some other function over time? I'm also thinking that what you hear on the radio, TV or from sighted people will allow you to build some idea of what each colour means and its associations, albeit one that I can't possibly comprehend.
Deleted or not, It's a valid question. Basically, the brain can only work with what it has been given. There is not something like an inherent dictionary or framework for colours and for that part, visual imagery in our brain. That means people like me, who have never experienced any sight, don't know what seeing is or feels like. That also means, we don't think or imagine in visual terms, so also not in colour. This is not to be confused with spacial thinking or imagination, which we certainly do.
I jokingly refer to this phenomenon as the 404-not-found problem. Exactly this is also the reason why , for as far as I am aware, blind people who have always been blind don't dream in images. Images in dreams tend to consist of things you've seen in the past, or your imagination running wild which is also based on at least basic visual imagery. So at least in my case dreams consist of experiences the way i would experience them in real life as well, so sans images. Kinda like opening a web page with all the images missing ...hence 404 :-) Imagination itself though, even though it uses the root word image, doesn't limit itself to the visual and therefore I do have imagination, just not really visual imagination as I can't really comprehend what even the most basic of shapes and colors would look like visually, let alone more complex things. It's fun to think about, this :-)
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Post by blindlover on Aug 7, 2020 14:48:39 GMT -5
Hi all,
I see there is a lot of discussion about how to deal with these challenging times as best as possible , when we don't have two legs to walk on, but in my admittedly very narrow research of the forums, I didn't find a huge am mound of discussion on what Corona is like from a blindness perspective.
So that is why I wanted to ask to other blind or lo-vision users of this platform in what ways does it influence your life where you are, and do you think the social distancing makes it harder to be independent? Off course if any devs know someone or something, and want to add something, please do chime in as well...
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