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Post by myrrh on Oct 7, 2020 15:46:48 GMT -5
"Active shooter" is implicitly tied to mass shootings and has nothing to do with home defense, it's far more likely to happen in schools with unarmed children. I understand wanting a gun in the event of home invasions, but your neighbor is definitely calling the cops and not you if an armed man breaks into her house.
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Post by shadow on Oct 7, 2020 16:49:43 GMT -5
"Active shooter" is implicitly tied to mass shootings and has nothing to do with home defense, it's far more likely to happen in schools with unarmed children. I understand wanting a gun in the event of home invasions, but your neighbor is definitely calling the cops and not you if an armed man breaks into her house. Lol, I guess I have no clue what I’m talking about then, thank goodness for the people of pd to let me know. In my State, we have something called “Reverse 911.” That’s when the police call you and let’s you know there’s something going down in your vicinity. It’s happened twice to me. Once was before amber alert and it was basically an amber alert for a disabled child. The 2nd was a domestic situation at a ranch not far from my house and there was a man that was shooting at the police. He got away on foot heading towards the neighborhood with his gun and was considered very dangerous. I don’t recall if they called him an “active shooter,” exactly, I may have been a little groggy when I picked up the phone at 2am to hear there was a shooter running around and to stay in place. They called again a few hours later to say he had been found. It’s an automated message, everyone got the same calls. Who said anything about my neighbors calling me instead of the cops? That has nothing to do with anything I said or the Op, so Im still not sure what your point is.
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Post by myrrh on Oct 7, 2020 17:24:39 GMT -5
Lol, I guess I have no clue what I’m talking about then, thank goodness for the people of pd to let me know. That's right, don't let it happen again young lady! Really though, I've lived in half a dozen states and never heard the phrase "Reverse 911" in my life. I wonder if it's like tv remote vs clicker, or saying Coke instead of the more formal sodie-pap. We have emergency alerts here that go out in the event of something like an Amber Alert or water quality problem. Anyway my point is that an "active shooter" situation is not really something that is relevant for home defense. We have a ton of examples in the US of some psycho arming up and going to a local school to shoot children, a mall, or their workplace. Home defense is more about burglary or rape/home invasions.
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Post by darthoso on Oct 8, 2020 0:14:18 GMT -5
Even in an Active Shooter situation, mobility is how you get shot by police who are scared out of their mind.
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Post by dannyboy95 on Oct 9, 2020 11:47:17 GMT -5
The best fire arm to carry is the one that you are comfortable with, that is reliable and that you get plenty of TRAINING with. And don't put it on your chair. In case of a violent encounter it might happen that you get thrown out of your wheelchair. And when you're on the floor, unable to move much, then is the time when you might need a gun to save your life. But you must train for these kinds of situations. Inside the waist band would probably be the best way to carry it.
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Post by infinatedreams on Oct 9, 2020 14:00:44 GMT -5
oh what fun it must be to live in a country where you feel the need to carry a weapon to feel safe .... wheeler dudes should just wrap themselves up in steel plate, fasten a bazooka to their heads and turn into a dalek .... nobody is gunna mess then, well unless its the Doctor.
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Post by someonerandom on Oct 9, 2020 16:45:53 GMT -5
oh what fun it must be to live in a country where you feel the need to carry a weapon to feel safe .... wheeler dudes should just wrap themselves up in steel plate, fasten a bazooka to their heads and turn into a dalek .... nobody is gunna mess then, well unless its the Doctor. View AttachmentIt definitely makes some people feel safe, although gun ownership in America is more likely to cause your death than prevent it.
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Post by infinatedreams on Oct 9, 2020 16:50:34 GMT -5
mass gun ownership is a bizzare concept to me, but then i come from a country with strict gun control and gun related deaths are rare. Having said that i can see that if i lived in the usa then id probably have a firearm given that most of the 'bad guys' will have. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
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Post by Manda2212 on Oct 9, 2020 17:15:16 GMT -5
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Post by infinatedreams on Oct 9, 2020 17:18:25 GMT -5
they already have for carrying in public places unless its work related or a blade under 3", still need a good reason to carry one though if stopped by the police. 👍 Dont think i said all guns should be banned (ill just check) nope I didnt, just said coming from a country with strict gun controls i found it bizzare, more so when there are more guns than population .... but then i did say if i was in the USA then id probably have a gun. UK Knife homicides 2019 .... 256 UK Gun homicides 2019 .... 32 USA gun homicides 2019 .... 15,292 I know where I would feel safer
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Post by someonerandom on Oct 9, 2020 17:46:19 GMT -5
Banning knives is actually a good idea though, they’re freaking dangerous.
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Post by Manda2212 on Oct 9, 2020 18:05:12 GMT -5
they already have for carrying in public places unless its work related or a blade under 3", still need a good reason to carry one though if stopped by the police. 👍 Dont think i said all guns should be banned (ill just check) nope I didnt, just said coming from a country with strict gun controls i found it bizzare, more so when there are more guns than population .... but then i did say if i was in the USA then id probably have a gun. UK Knife homicides 2019 .... 256 UK Gun homicides 2019 .... 32 USA gun homicides 2019 .... 15,292 I know where I would feel safer Lol, point taken. I would try to figure out how those numbers compare to population size but I suck at the maths.
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Post by Braced4Impact on Oct 9, 2020 21:27:40 GMT -5
I think they indicate you are ten times more likely to be killed by a gun in the US than you are to be killed by a knife or a gun in the UK. Not all of the US is the same though. Having lived in NYC, DC, San Francisco, and nowhere else, the idea of owning a gun is pretty foreign to me too. I definitely think it is more dangerous to have a gun than not have one, unless maybe you have a lot of experience actually using guns in life or death situations, which only a small percentage of the population has, and even then it might still be more dangerous. I think the evidence backs this up as well. It reminds me of a homicide I heard of recently in which person A tried to steal something from person B. Person C jumped in to defend person B. Person A was not armed but started punching and kicking person C. Person C then took out a knife, but person A grabbed the knife and killed person C. If person C hadn't had that knife he almost certainly would be alive, and these were all physically fit and able people. No one wanted to kill anyone in that situation, but if you take out a weapon, people are immediately put in a "I have to kill them or they might kill me" situation. I also personally wouldn't want to immediately shoot someone who entered my house I'd assume to try to steal something. Most people aren't trained firefighters, but it's advisable to have a fire extinguisher in your home. You might not know the full science of firefighting, but the idea is simple enough; point and shoot, put out the flames. Knives are different than guns. You can survive multiple stab wounds, but gunshot wounds are generally more devastating. And yes, you can have your weapon used against you, that even happens to well-trained cops who carry a gun every day but those rare exceptions to the rule don't negate the majority of the time when they are used successfully. It'd be like saying a person overdosed on weed...after they smoked two kilos in a single day, it's possible to die from eating too many carrots, so it's conceivable to overdose on weed in truly excessive amounts, but using extreme examples doesn't make the argument valid. The vast majority of guns being used in self-defense situations are ones where the gun isn't fired. The mere threat of "I'll shoot you if you don't comply" is enough to dissuade most sane criminals. Ones that are doped up out of their minds, you may have to fire and sadly even kill to defend yourself, but better them than you.
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Post by Braced4Impact on Oct 12, 2020 14:24:28 GMT -5
I think most gun owners would be very happy to never have to use their gun for anything other than target practice at the range. But it's like a fire extinguisher or first aid kit; you hope it collects dust, but you also feel better knowing it's there.
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Post by myrrh on Oct 12, 2020 14:38:17 GMT -5
Most people aren't trained firefighters, but it's advisable to have a fire extinguisher in your home. You might not know the full science of firefighting, but the idea is simple enough; point and shoot, put out the flames. Guns were the second most common cause of death among children in America in 2016, behind only car crashes. Fire extinguishers did not rank. I get the point you're trying to make, that a firearm at home is a utility and should be seen as a safety tool. That's a cavalier attitude toward something that is designed exclusively to kill and maim. A toddler in my town shot and killed himself this weekend after discovering a gun in his parents' night stand. I'm a hick, I grew up around shooting and hunting and people who put their belt holster on before reaching for their morning cup of coffee. Guns don't scare me, but people saying they're no big deal does scare me. That's how you get careless, and end up with missing toes and dead toddlers.
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