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Post by Braced4Impact on Oct 12, 2020 14:57:30 GMT -5
I think like anything dangerous, you should have proper training and responsibility with it. Any object that can cause death or destruction should be treated with respect, but unfortunately it's a reflection of society, not the item itself. Look at alcohol; if it's enjoyed responsibly, it can be a pleasant experience (aside from perhaps a groggy headache the next morning for some.) But if you drink yourself into alcohol poisoning, or drunk drive, or do something stupid with it, then it's a reflection of the poor choices of the individual. Weed and tobacco the same way; you can enjoy them responsibly, too, but you can burn down a house with carelessness with them, or cause problems with second hand smoke (yes, weed still is smoke, it still has tar, it's not some miracle safe thing.) So, like anything else, power tools, cars, knives, you can make bad decisions or good ones with it, and it's down to personal responsibility and accountability. Guns shouldn't be in the hands of idiots or criminals, nor should alcohol or vehicles in the hands of drunks.
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Post by Manda2212 on Oct 12, 2020 16:47:40 GMT -5
Most people aren't trained firefighters, but it's advisable to have a fire extinguisher in your home. You might not know the full science of firefighting, but the idea is simple enough; point and shoot, put out the flames. Guns were the second most common cause of death among children in America in 2016, behind only car crashes. Fire extinguishers did not rank. And yet we don't go around trying to ban cars because there is an inherrant risk when getting behind the wheel. Funny that.
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Post by myrrh on Oct 12, 2020 17:00:20 GMT -5
Guns were the second most common cause of death among children in America in 2016, behind only car crashes. Fire extinguishers did not rank. And yet we don't go around trying to ban cars because there is an inherrant risk when getting behind the wheel. Funny that. Nowhere did I advocate for banning them. If you're going to try to antagonize me for being a mean, gun abolishing Marxist Antifa , don't put words in my mouth.
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Post by infinatedreams on Oct 12, 2020 17:06:02 GMT -5
Yikes ... Marxist Antifa alert ... wheres my gun ... oh yeah there banned here, no guns, very few as in less than 100 gun related deaths a year ... ok then im going to yell very loudly and you can bloody well yell back (as you wont have a gun either) 🤷♂️
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Post by myrrh on Oct 12, 2020 17:12:05 GMT -5
We'll both live to yell another day!
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Post by infinatedreams on Oct 12, 2020 17:15:59 GMT -5
yeah think of all the wonderful beautiful yelling we could do, be great, im in the best yelling shape ever, in fact i can yell more than i did 20yrs ago ... but id have to take my covid mask off, maybe in a dramatic hollywood western style 👌 da yell off at da PD coral ... and we can do it again and again and again, its yelltastic I know what you're thinking. 'Did he yell six times or only five'? Well to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, i kind of lost track myself. But being that this is a RGK Titanium, the most powerful wheelchair in the world, and would blow your dev senses off the scale, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky? Well do ya, myrrh
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Post by Braced4Impact on Oct 12, 2020 19:03:46 GMT -5
Yikes ... Marxist Antifa alert ... wheres my gun ... oh yeah there banned here, no guns, very few as in less than 100 gun related deaths a year ... ok then im going to yell very loudly and you can bloody well yell back (as you wont have a gun either) 🤷♂️ How about knife related crimes though? If there's a will, there's a way to kill people.
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Post by someonerandom on Oct 12, 2020 19:08:41 GMT -5
Personally I say it’s about time we ban those damn cars, they’re freaking dangerous.
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Post by Braced4Impact on Oct 12, 2020 19:45:14 GMT -5
Personally I say it’s about time we ban those damn cars, they’re freaking dangerous. And unicycles. Because fuck unicycles.
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Post by IcarusFellOnce on Oct 12, 2020 20:05:58 GMT -5
Gun owner myself. Responsible and safe gun owner. Weapons are locked up.. maintained... don't keep them loaded (conceal carry the exception.. obviously). Although I don't carry it much with me these days.. Don't go out of the house too often these days with the 'VID19. Extra ammo is locked and stored separately. Really proud of this state's red flag law... actually championed by a Republican Sheriff and a legislator who lost his son in the Aurora Theater shooting. Some sherfiff's were up in arms about it along partisan lines.. BUT having a Republican sheriff that is passionate about this law and tours to present data on lives this law has saved without infringing on the rights of lawful, responsible, and safe gun owners.. helps out a lot.
That being said... here's some good idea.
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Post by Dr. BiPAP Sachin on Oct 12, 2020 20:44:10 GMT -5
No one wanted to kill anyone in that situation, but if you take out a weapon, people are immediately put in a "I have to kill them or they might kill me" situation. I believe this is the "fight or flight" reaction to life-threatening stimuli, if I remember from biology and social science.
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Post by expresso on Oct 12, 2020 21:11:28 GMT -5
No reason why a disabled shouldnt be allowed to own a firearm as anyone else would giving they can use it safely - or use it at all -
its not a toy just to have - but if you can use it - your arms hands function good and can hold it - etc, use it at firing range - no reason you shouldnt be able to have one.
concealed carry is another issue - depending where you live - its not very easy to get a concealed carry permit - disabled or not - but if follow your states laws and qualify for one - then your good to go
now with that said - is Concealed carry a good option anyway - i mean unless your life is in danger - or own a business - deal with large amounts of cash etc, bank deposits etc, - if not whats the big deal to carry a gun all the time -
i enjoy them - firing range - etc, - i am in NYC - very very hard to get any kind of permit - let alone a concealed weapons - but in other states you can very easy - i can also but wont make it legal where i live so no use for me.
if you can get one and use one safely - i say do it - its a fun hobby - great stress relief i tell you that much -
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Post by darthoso on Oct 12, 2020 21:39:13 GMT -5
No one wanted to kill anyone in that situation, but if you take out a weapon, people are immediately put in a "I have to kill them or they might kill me" situation. I believe this is the "fight or flight" reaction to life-threatening stimuli, if I remember from biology and social science. Having a weapon available also makes you more likely to go for it as opposed to other alternatives. During the 91 Gulf War a Special Operations Unit slipped into Baghdad to get American oil workers out. They deliberately went in unarmed to force themselves to talk their way through check points. If they were armed and an Iraqi soldiers gave them a hard time, they knew having their weapons as an option increased the odds they'd use it out of desperation, as opposed to using that desperation to come up with a better solution such as bribing him, acting drunk, or smooth talk. In that situation using a weapon would result in the Iraqi Army being onto them. The shooting this weekend in Denver is a perfect example of this, bear mace caused the other guy to go for his gun and in a split second the cops have him in cuffs on murder charges. 6 years ago an older guy (former cop) in a movie theater got angry at the couple in front of him for texting before the movie started, the husband threw a bag of popcorn, the older guy pulls a gun and kills him.
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Post by lars on Oct 13, 2020 0:43:55 GMT -5
Shiiiiat. I'd prefer not to take things political here on PD, but I can't help but to feel rather pissed off, as this shit directly relates to a lot of needless suffering. Guns, violence and all that are some serious shit and as such, it needs to be taken seriously. Let's not pretend that I'm living in Fallujah dodging shells - I'm not. This text is not about the differences between the respective countries of Our Most Esteem Board. Focusing on the differences of our environments would be missing the point of my criticism - The Glock 19 mentioned by choicetomake works just the same in USA as it does in Finland. As dannyboy95 emphasized, there's no substitute for robust and vigorous training. Especially so before pulling off some ninja shit. Now, the (in)flammatory part: Braced4Impact wrote about how even "well-trained cops" can end up in situations in which their guns may be used against theirselves. I understand that I don't get to read from the news how a police officer in a faraway land had a great day at work and nobody got killed. I get to read and hear about slices of someone else's day at the job doing shit creek with fatal consequences. I think we all have read too many of those news which often feature rookie cops or what is, frankly, stupidly loose rules of engagement. I find it puzzling how often this topic tends to get spun into a whole new dimension, and I find it criminally negligent how little there is talk about the actual rules that govern the circumstances operating a gun. A month ago a 13-year old, autistic boy was on the receiving end of a point-blank magazine dump. The boy survived the encounter, receiving 11 hits, suffering injuries to his shoulder, intestines, bladder and ankle. This one rates highly on both extremely loose rules of engagement, poor trigger discipline and awful shot placement. This year's Guns, Cops and Crime-news have included some straight-up Fallujah shit blasting through a door, 32 times no less - resulting in a dead bystander. This year's news have included a rookie cop trying to shoot an unrestrained dog, also killing a bystander. While I don't get to read from the news whenever an officer has done a great job, there's a lot to be learned when shit goes horribly wrong. Questionable rules of engagement seems to be constant in these news, and fixing that? Cheap stuff compared to training proficient law enforcement. Some alarm bells should go off when a military with a reputation of having a comparatively light trigger finger have stricter rules of engagement than the nation's own law enforcement.
I got a little bit triggered reading through the thread, including gems like "It's a lot easier to tell someone to back off when holding one of these." I'm not here to judge on anyone's precious, recreational hobby - I'm sure I'd have fun on the range with choicetomake. It's not like I'm some resident expert on violence, either, but anyone here ( or elsewhere ) contemplating acquiring a firearm for any kind of self-defense ought to get fucking real and fast when it comes to deploying the thing under pressure. I'm not a proficient shooter, and being proficient with a pistol is harder than it is to be proficient with long firearms. It's even harder when there's an angry 300lb man in your face, pushing you around and acting all unpleasant. I cannot fathom how easily people think they're going to pull off some ninja moves and save the day. I used examples that we are all too familiar with, and judging from those news, spending something in between 600 and 800 hours of police academy on average doesn't seem to be anywhere near enough to proficient on the job. A gun is a simple, mechanical thing with a couple of springs inside it. Operating it like a professional is not as simple as the Braced4Impact's example about knives, guns and self-defence make it seem to be, and I think it's rather dangerous ( and awfully humane ) to harbour delusions about these kinds of situations. If it would be that simple, we wouldn't have so many unnecessary bodies to get riled up about. I cherrypicked examples of some terrible policing in action, but it was not done in an attempt to claim there are no competent, professional law enforcement officers serving in various forces - including the American LE. However It's hard not to question the competency a rookie police officer that has spent 4-6 months in the academy before hitting the mean streets on patrol. Police academy in Finland lasts 3 years in comparison. Internet ninjas and heroics about what someone would do in a given made-up scenario is something that's never going to dry up. I mean no disrespecc with this, but such talk is rarely grounded in reality. Let's be real when talking about guns and violence. Serious shit like this shouldn't be taken with a too relaxed mind and it's putting one on a fast track for a dead neighbour behind the wall. Enjoy your hobbies responsibly, but try to keep in mind that there are few things that are as dangerous as misplaced sense of security.
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Post by infinatedreams on Oct 13, 2020 5:42:59 GMT -5
Yikes ... Marxist Antifa alert ... wheres my gun ... oh yeah there banned here, no guns, very few as in less than 100 gun related deaths a year ... ok then im going to yell very loudly and you can bloody well yell back (as you wont have a gun either) 🤷♂️ How about knife related crimes though? If there's a will, there's a way to kill people. I agree there is always a way to kill someone, so lets not make it easier ... unless target shooting or say hunting is your hobby then whats the pleasure in owning a gun? we had 2 mass shootings, hungerford in the late 80's and Dunblane in the 90's after which automatic/semi automatic rifles were banned outright and pistol ownership severely restricted (i think to target pistols only)... no mass shootings since and guess what society hasnt collapsed. If i wanted to shoot then there are clubs and controlled environments in which to do so. And im not being political, it just seems common sense 🤷♂️🤷♂️
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