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Post by Pony on May 12, 2007 9:07:39 GMT -5
...i, personally, don't know what the fuck to believe!! At the same time, common sense tells me if you stick 6 BILLION people on this planet, give em cars, airlines, ships, industrial plants that spew out pollution, pave over more of the ground, etc., you're going to heat things up. But hey, there's no turning back...no one will give up our junk and go back to living off the land, including my ass. ; )
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Post by Pony on May 12, 2007 9:17:16 GMT -5
BTW, Val.... i don't see how you like the killer-cold like you do. Dios Mio...i am too cold if it's 75 F. I love hot weather, but the humidity gets terrible here in Florida, especially July/August.
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Post by Ouch on May 12, 2007 10:40:46 GMT -5
Well you've lived in a warm environment for all of your life, Tony, so dropping below 70 might seem like an 'Ice Age' for you...
...simple chemistry tells ya' that Humans are affecting environmental changes, it's completely scientifically indisputable. However, it's not just because of people driving their Hummers around getting 20 gallons to the mile; in fact having a campfire is more polluting, if he wanted to compare...so blame the cavemen....and buy GEICO auto insurance while you're at it.
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Post by Valkyrja on May 12, 2007 23:36:09 GMT -5
Triassic: there are two types of people in the world: those that worry and those that don't.
I am of those that worry.
You cannot say that the human being doesn't have anything to do with what is happening to the environment when it is more than obvious that we are damaging the nature.
Thanks to the indiscriminate pruning of the Amazons and of the missionary forest (here in Misiones, Argentina), this year in Argentina we have had a terrible invasion of enormous mosquitos.
It had never happened this until some months ago. Surely, for your form of seeing the things, this would be "evolution"
That's great!!... in Argentina we have the only insects that took only 6 months in evolving.
Regrettably it is not evolution. The deforestation made tg that the ecosystem was seriously damaged, it is for that reason that we have had insects that have brought epidemics and illnesses.
But it's ok, Triassic... I repeat that it is a form of seeing the things. I would like to think that, worrying and contributing my grain of sand, I will achieve my daughter's children to have a better life.
You're right Wind... Tony, live so much time accustomed to warm climates makes you hate the cold. Were you born in Florida?
Personally, I have never been able to accustom to the warm temperatures of Buenos Aires. Maybe it is a genetic thing, I don't know!
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Post by Triassic on May 13, 2007 3:34:27 GMT -5
No, no, no...I have always hated the destruction of nature, killing of wildlife, wasting of resources, uglylea urban sprawl; HATED it, from when I was a teen.
I'm ALL FOR wise conservation policies. I want a clean, healthy biosphere at least as much as anyone else does. And I think we're slowly heading in that direction-at least in the developed world.
What I'm against are politically/ideologically motivated scare tactics that are meant to instill fear and guilt in people, and which are factually very questionable and speculative.
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Post by Valkyrja on May 13, 2007 7:34:34 GMT -5
Oh... I understand you now!... sorry, I misunderstood you!!
Yes, I think same way. I'm against the polution, the killing, the deforestation, etc.
I used to colaborate with GreenPeace but, after the Mururoa Atoll, I let giving them money.
Here we have a campaign gathering signatures to protest against that kind of test... I gathered 153 signatures. I took them to Greenpeace center, I saw lot of people with lot of signature's forms (I think there were hundred of thousand of forms) and then, I heard the Greenpeace Spokesman announcing that Argentina only gather 300 signatures!!
There was where I understood that it's all politics. And I moved away.
Now, I'm trying to do my best with little things.
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