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Post by Manda2212 on Mar 26, 2020 20:14:50 GMT -5
Meanwhile over here, 500,000 people have volunteered to help out the needy and the nation turned out to applaud the healthcare workers as a gesture of appreciation. Its nice to see that kind of humanity still exists in our materialistic world Here is a good news only site where you can read a plethora of these stories. Have at it! tanksgoodnews.com/
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Post by myrrh on Mar 26, 2020 20:35:15 GMT -5
Talking about weapons, what about all those guys with AR15's? How will they respond if they feel let down by the government? They'd never feel let down, because those people don't believe it's the government's job to provide care for citizens. They'll be too busy being suspicious of the guy ahead of them in line at Costco.
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Post by Dr. BiPAP Sachin on Mar 26, 2020 21:13:34 GMT -5
Talking about weapons, what about all those guys with AR15's? How will they respond if they feel let down by the government? They'd never feel let down, because those people don't believe it's the government's job to provide care for citizens. They'll be too busy being suspicious of the guy ahead of them in line at Costco. So true. +100
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Post by loreley on Mar 26, 2020 22:22:10 GMT -5
Talking about weapons, what about all those guys with AR15's? How will they respond if they feel let down by the government? I'm going to assume you are joking because that is a totally ridiculous question to me.
I read that people in the US were buying 10 times more weapons since the pandemic started - while the Germans have been hoarding toilet paper, with sales going up 700 %.
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Post by pam on Mar 27, 2020 1:14:08 GMT -5
I'm going to assume you are joking because that is a totally ridiculous question to me.
I read that people in the US were buying 10 times more weapons since the pandemic started - while the Germans have been hoarding toilet paper, with sales going up 700 %.
Yes, I did hear that also. Now that I think about it, some people are crazy so it might happen. I was referring to us normal people. So, yeah, anything is possible. The US is also hoarding toilet paper.
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Post by Manda2212 on Mar 27, 2020 1:41:05 GMT -5
People buy firearms and stock up on ammo when they are worried that their basic rights as Americans are at risk. This is one of those times. The government loves to grow itself any time their is a crisis. After 911 a huge surveillance state formed and as we now know, they overstep their bounds. As Americans, the majority of us reject being surveiled. It was supposed to protect us from terrorists threats but there have been wild abuses.
These kids of things scare people.
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Post by blueskye101 on Mar 27, 2020 2:28:27 GMT -5
Talking about weapons, what about all those guys with AR15's? How will they respond if they feel let down by the government? It’s very odd to me that gun shops are open and considered essential along with weed & alcohol stores.
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Post by wonk on Mar 27, 2020 3:15:20 GMT -5
Talking about weapons, what about all those guys with AR15's? How will they respond if they feel let down by the government? They'd never feel let down, because those people don't believe it's the government's job to provide care for citizens. They'll be too busy being suspicious of the guy ahead of them in line at Costco. The reason I asked this of darthoso in the locked thread, is because I would be incredibly suprised if Homeland security has not modelled domestic threats during a pandemic.
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Post by someonerandom on Mar 27, 2020 9:21:50 GMT -5
Talking about weapons, what about all those guys with AR15's? How will they respond if they feel let down by the government? It’s very odd to me that gun shops are open and considered essential along with weed & alcohol stores. Gun store and weed store probably not essential, but alcohol store definitely is. The withdrawal from that drug can kill people, and we don’t want hospitals more crowded than they need to be. I’m really glad we have the second amendment though, since all those gun owners rose up and saved us from the tyranny of the Patriot Act and unconstitutional NSA spying. Im sure the guns will really come in handy this time too!
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Post by IcarusFellOnce on Mar 27, 2020 12:24:09 GMT -5
It’s very odd to me that gun shops are open and considered essential along with weed & alcohol stores. Gun store and weed store probably not essential, but alcohol store definitely is. The withdrawal from that drug can kill people, and we don’t want hospitals more crowded than they need to be. I’m really glad we have the second amendment though, since all those gun owners rose up and saved us from the tyranny of the Patriot Act and unconstitutional NSA spying. Im sure the guns will really come in handy this time too! Here in Colorado marijuana stores can still deliver... SO... kind of essential. Don't you dare take away people's coping mechanism when isolated like marijuana and alc. LOL. Oh what a time to be alive. Want to write some short stories about this after this is over... Love and Politics in a time of COVID19
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Post by IcarusFellOnce on Mar 27, 2020 12:32:13 GMT -5
My partner works as a CNA at a hospital here.. last week they went from 1 case in their hospital to now having over 100. Read a news story of healthcare workers that are succumbing to the illness.. in one case because they didn't have access to appropriate PPE.
I'm not one to give into fear... to me it's an emotion I do not feel often. BUT the thought of anything happening to her... try not to because even the thought of it absolutely guts me.
Don't want to make this political.... But just makes the lack of leadership (not just lack of leadership BUT THE misleading statements and OUTRIGHT LIES) from the executive on the federal level that much MORE PERSONAL and maddening.
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Post by myrrh on Mar 27, 2020 13:24:00 GMT -5
People buy firearms and stock up on ammo when they are worried that their basic rights as Americans are at risk. This is one of those times. This is a really excellent example of the fundamental difference in how people interpret "basic rights," as Americans... or just as human beings. For someone who believes bodily health is a more precious right, the idea that the government would not be responsible for providing healthcare is asinine. For someone who believes personal autonomy is a more precious right, the idea that the government would restrict one's autonomy for the sake of others' health is asinine. I have a hard time believing that America is the only place we have these two ideologies coming into conflict, but I do think that historically we have a much higher emphasis on autonomy than most other cultures. Think about it- America is only 250 years old, and the nation was birthed from pioneers saying "fuck the king" and forging off into the wilderness to claim land and build themselves a new future. I don't know if there's an elegant way to go from that to an underlying culture of "we're in this together" in such a short time span. The reason I asked this of darthoso in the locked thread, is because I would be incredibly suprised if Homeland security has not modelled domestic threats during a pandemic. My reply wasn't meant to be flippant- I think those people would never dream of the government stepping in to handle this sort of situation, because they'd see it as infringing upon their autonomy. But who knows what people will do when they're scared. I'd like to hear what darthoso thinks of this, too.
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Post by myrrh on Mar 27, 2020 13:48:23 GMT -5
Actually, now that I think about it wonk, Oz isn't too different. You're a relatively young country, made up of huge swaths of wilderness inhabited by people who need to be largely self-reliant, with a highly populated coastal cities. I know gun culture is really different down there now, but that wasn't always the case, right? I remember you guys had some sweeping regulations enacted in the not-too-distant past. My mom, who fancied herself quite the independent thinker, used to talk about the government in Oz coming for everyone's guns like it was a humanitarian catastrophe on par with Stalin's regime. She talked about the real-life Crocodile Dundee dying as a martyr in a shoot-out with police when they came to take his guns.
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Post by darthoso on Mar 27, 2020 15:03:32 GMT -5
They'd never feel let down, because those people don't believe it's the government's job to provide care for citizens. They'll be too busy being suspicious of the guy ahead of them in line at Costco. The reason I asked this of darthoso in the locked thread, is because I would be incredibly suprised if Homeland security has not modelled domestic threats during a pandemic. I'm mixed on the federal response overall, generally I hate federalism because of the patch work response, but also thank god for federalism given Trump's impulse to reopen the country. The FBI already killed one right wing nutter in Missouri who they've been watching since September and was planning to car bomb a hospital. My concern is the spread of poor information and little to no communication with hospitalized family member could lead to dangerous situations when the family is notified their loved one is dead, especially if hospitals have to enact critical care rationing of supplies and equipment. The disconnect between false hope and the reality could lead to emotional and violent reactions. All it is going to take is one incident and Governors are going to deploy the National Guard to protect hospitals. The other issue is supply chain, right now we're good, the only issue is over demand, but if the supply side starts to buckle, that have could major consequences. What makes this challenging from a emergency response stand point is this is a 50 state disaster, normally you take resources from an unaffected area and surge them into the disaster area, can't do that now. Governors are probably going to be reluctant to honor mutual aid agreements with other states, wanting to keep their resources to themselves for when their state needs it, can't blame them. The first 13 minutes of this talk by Max Brooks (author of World War Z and West Point Professor) to the US Army Training and Doctrine Command are very eye opening.
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Post by Dr. BiPAP Sachin on Mar 27, 2020 16:58:20 GMT -5
The Weather Channel and IBM recently created an app for phone and PC tracking the spread of COVID-19 in the USA. Currently, given the increase in testing in New York State, it appears this state has the most number of confirmed cases (44635), with 485 deaths. The county of my residence currently has 171 confirmed cases, with 0 deaths, for now. Of course, the numbers will vary and certainly be subject to change. It's difficult to say how accurate the specific statistical model implemented here really is, though. weather.com/coronavirus/l/824996d1b80237dde3415009309f54c19039427702bac742672499323cd05d1d
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