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Post by matisse on Mar 31, 2020 23:08:01 GMT -5
The only one's who've nailed it are Japan and South Korea who got on the ball fast with testing. Actually the places that have done well in the response are Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore. They are not only testing but doing extensive contact tracing and targeted isolation to slow down transmission, which means not having to lock down everything. There is also extensive temperature taking before going in to work or entering places like hospitals or schools
I have no idea what's going on with this temperature-taking. It's sooooo easy to do. They are barely starting it now here for grocery store employees. Why? Because one tested positive. Well, big fucking DUH. They are not somehow immune and with the shelter-in-place they see a shitload more people than anyone. Amazon employees testing positive? DUH. I asked my physical therapist about his rounds and he told me he visited an old folks home (non-nursing). He said they were limiting and screening visitors. I asked him if they were temperature testing-----Nope. WTF?!?!! So I told him I would not be seeing him anymore (that was 3 weeks ago).
I just don't get it. I take my temperature every day and require my helpers to do the same. And I assume everything coming into the house is contaminated--mail, Amazon packages, groceries, take-out, etc.
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As an aside, we're locked down here now for another month. All the techies around here will be ok, but most people are screwed. It's good that grocery stores are hiring, but that's a drop in the bucket. We're supposed to have this fabulous economy but this has revealed that it's the same shit, with most people not being able to deal with a couple of weeks of no pay, much less 45+ days this is turning into. I'll repeat my suggestion that wheelers keep to these hygiene habits once this is done, and train their PCAs for it, because we're going to get his with another one of these and there will be NO shutdown. We can't take a 4 trillion hit to the deficient every few years.
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Post by darthoso on Mar 31, 2020 23:31:58 GMT -5
We can't take a 4 trillion hit to the deficient every few years. [/div][/quote] I don't think it's in this stimulus but they might fund the next one by just printing the money.
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Post by matisse on Apr 1, 2020 0:19:20 GMT -5
We can't take a 4 trillion hit to the deficient every few years. I don't think it's in this stimulus but they might fund the next one by just printing the money. It's been a long time since my college Economics classes, but I distinctly recall that increasing the money supply is not without its consequences for all of us.
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Post by blueskye101 on Apr 1, 2020 0:55:13 GMT -5
Manda2212, I’m not sure this is bashing at all. I think we can all learn from each other’s countries the things that work and the disasters. Must be a global effort since we are a global society. I also believe testing is the key but we may have blown that one. Hopefully we can see that it truly takes us all to succeed and support each other with the supply chains being so international. Lots to learn for next time if we do learn from this
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Post by blueskye101 on Apr 1, 2020 0:59:43 GMT -5
Actually the places that have done well in the response are Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore. They are not only testing but doing extensive contact tracing and targeted isolation to slow down transmission, which means not having to lock down everything. There is also extensive temperature taking before going in to work or entering places like hospitals or schools
I have no idea what's going on with this temperature-taking. It's sooooo easy to do. They are barely starting it now here for grocery store employees. Why? Because one tested positive. Well, big fucking DUH. They are not somehow immune and with the shelter-in-place they see a shitload more people than anyone. Amazon employees testing positive? DUH. I asked my physical therapist about his rounds and he told me he visited an old folks home (non-nursing). He said they were limiting and screening visitors. I asked him if they were temperature testing-----Nope. WTF?!?!! So I told him I would not be seeing him anymore (that was 3 weeks ago). I just don't get it. I take my temperature every day and require my helpers to do the same. And I assume everything coming into the house is contaminated--mail, Amazon packages, groceries, take-out, etc. ----------------------- As an aside, we're locked down here now for another month. All the techies around here will be ok, but most people are screwed. It's good that grocery stores are hiring, but that's a drop in the bucket. We're supposed to have this fabulous economy but this has revealed that it's the same shit, with most people not being able to deal with a couple of weeks of no pay, much less 45+ days this is turning into. I'll repeat my suggestion that wheelers keep to these hygiene habits once this is done, and train their PCAs for it, because we're going to get his with another one of these and there will be NO shutdown. We can't take a 4 trillion hit to the deficient every few years.
The care home I am working at has been taking everyone’s temps for weeks now. We staff come in and wash in front of prior staff and take our temps. There is not always a temp with this virus but at least it’s a help. We are locked down with no staff or patients going in or out. Planes shut down ( only way in or out) it’s interesting but so far Molokai has no known cases.
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Post by blueskye101 on Apr 1, 2020 1:00:56 GMT -5
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Post by matisse on Apr 1, 2020 1:29:36 GMT -5
Etsy has some cool washable masks if you are willing to pay a little for flair......since we're apparently all going to be wearing them soon......
I guess not really such a bad thing, it will help the asymptomatic from spreading it.
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Post by Green on Apr 1, 2020 10:07:52 GMT -5
I think it's kind of gross how everyone comes here to crap on America when virtually no country has nailed their coronavirus response. There's plenty bad to be found on the interwebs about how shite the UK is doing. People could say that South Korea has nailed it, but in that sense so has China. After all, in China, it wasn't expected, and that's where it started. I want to mention they kept many of their numbers secret. The problem is that "nailing it" would be a matter of how much you violate the privacy rights, and expanding surveillance of citizens. If you don't care about your rights, China would be a perfect place to be actually.
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Post by matisse on Apr 1, 2020 11:10:51 GMT -5
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Post by someonerandom on Apr 1, 2020 13:09:38 GMT -5
If all the untrained civilians in that Sheetz had concealed guns, this would have turned out way better. What a shame. </sarcasm> Fuck it’s really hard to stay off touchy subjects lol. I could say so much!
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Post by Corey on Apr 1, 2020 14:19:25 GMT -5
Turns out the whole “masks don’t help” thing was fake news haha. Who would have thought masks that block droplets were effective in limiting transmission of a disease transmitted by droplets?
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Post by newjess on Apr 1, 2020 14:41:55 GMT -5
Turns out the whole “masks don’t help” thing was fake news haha. Who would have thought masks that block droplets were effective in limiting transmission of a disease transmitted by droplets? Interesting, reading some of the updated info on that now. One thing I learned that I hadn't thought about before is that if you are going to use masks, you need to do it properly and carefully. I'm the type who would sunconsciously readjust the mask or something and trap germs right up on my face, if I hadn't been told specifically not to touch it. Though this may be common knowledge lol, I was just guilty of subconscious things like that pre-COVID19 and hadn't really thought about proper use of masks before a public health colleague mentioned it. Ive been a lot more careful now of course about touching my face, things touching my face, etc
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Post by matisse on Apr 1, 2020 16:05:34 GMT -5
Turns out the whole “masks don’t help” thing was fake news haha. Who would have thought masks that block droplets were effective in limiting transmission of a disease transmitted by droplets? Maybe I shouldn't have been, but I was surprised by the media's willingness to say that they "don't help" without any qualification, especially since they were at the same time stating the obvious contradiction that we should save them for the doctors. The doctors they would interview though, to their credit, never flat out said they didn't help and would instead say that they didn't help "much." I don't recall a single doctor who did not use some sort of qualifier. My question now is whether their guidance will be more complicated than just "wear a mask." Since the virus droplets live on surfaces way longer than they can stay in the air, it seems to me unless you have an N95, if someone coughs on you, you need to get that mask off as soon as you distance yourself from that cougher. Because otherwise, aren't those droplets going to hang around in the mask, waiting for you to breathe them in? Also as a general matter they should be telling people to throw away the disposable ones after each use, and wash the cloth ones after each use.
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Post by devogirl on Apr 2, 2020 1:22:20 GMT -5
Turns out the whole “masks don’t help” thing was fake news haha. Who would have thought masks that block droplets were effective in limiting transmission of a disease transmitted by droplets? Maybe I shouldn't have been, but I was surprised by the media's willingness to say that they "don't help" without any qualification, especially since they were at the same time stating the obvious contradiction that we should save them for the doctors. The doctors they would interview though, to their credit, never flat out said they didn't help and would instead say that they didn't help "much." I don't recall a single doctor who did not use some sort of qualifier. My question now is whether their guidance will be more complicated than just "wear a mask." Since the virus droplets live on surfaces way longer than they can stay in the air, it seems to me unless you have an N95, if someone coughs on you, you need to get that mask off as soon as you distance yourself from that cougher. Because otherwise, aren't those droplets going to hang around in the mask, waiting for you to breathe them in? Also as a general matter they should be telling people to throw away the disposable ones after each use, and wash the cloth ones after each use.
The whole issue of masks is so strange to me, not just how it's reported by US media but also the way US doctors talk about masks. As you said, the message "Masks don't work, doctors need them" is inherently contradictory. But there also seems to be a big cultural factor. In Asia, everyone wears masks all the time for various reasons, not just to avoid spreading viruses: to filter pollen or air pollution, when riding a motorcycle or scooter, for privacy, etc. The first time I started traveling in E Asia and saw lots of people wearing masks, it looked so weird to me, and the other Americans I was with dismissed it as "those kooky Asians." I think there is still an aspect of that dismissive attitude in the US not just in the media but also among doctors: "Haha, don't they realize the virus passes right through the mask?!" But the virus doesn't only travel through the air on its own, often it's on a droplet that is bigger. It's been strange to see Americans finally wearing masks after so many decades of dismissing them.
Scientific studies of mask wearing that I have heard reported seems to suggest it's not 100% but maybe better than nothing. Note that on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, at least three Japanese officials tested positive after interacting with passengers, even though they were wearing masks. Did they screw up and stick their dirty fingers under the mask? Or did they wear them correctly and got sick anyway? Who knows?
As for the second part of your question, how exactly to wear them, how to dispose of them, if they can be reworn, if cloth masks work, there's a lot less information on that, and fewer studies. Also I suspect the guidelines would be different for doctors vs people going to the supermarket.
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Post by Corey on Apr 2, 2020 3:27:12 GMT -5
Viruses are extremely delicate. If they get on the mask they will die, its just a matter of time and no one knows for sure what that amount is. I think they would die exposed to UV, which I think would be a good way to sterilize for re use
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