Jameson7
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Post by Jameson7 on Mar 31, 2020 6:59:36 GMT -5
This is an excellent video by a former science writer potholer54
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Post by Manda2212 on Mar 31, 2020 10:38:00 GMT -5
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Post by darthoso on Mar 31, 2020 10:49:57 GMT -5
My hope, when this is all said and done, is we get a 9/11 Commission with actually policy recommendations.
Few items I'd like to see:
- Transfer the US Public Health Corps out of the Department of Health and Human Services and into the Department of Defense under the National Guard Bureau. This gives it an actual budget. - Surgeon General promoted to full Admiral and establish US Medical Command as a functional Combatant Command with administrative control over the other services medical components and operational control as directed (similar to how US Special Operations Command is structured). Operationally it's State National Guard components would have the authority to take over public and private hospitals. - Reestablish the Civil Defense Corps under the National Guard Bureau, bring back actual stockpiling. Designate it an operational corps under 5th Army and US Northern Command (the component that works with FEMA). - Predesignate every State National Guard Director of Operations a Dual Status Commander.
Pandemics are a national security crisis and this operational structure under DoD using the National Guard formula would make make us more responsive.
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Post by darthoso on Mar 31, 2020 10:55:53 GMT -5
Strict enforcement of shelter in place orders is the only one I'd like to steal from the UK, beyond that they are just as screwed as us. The only one's who've nailed it are Japan and South Korea who got on the ball fast with testing.
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Post by Manda2212 on Mar 31, 2020 11:00:42 GMT -5
Strict enforcement of shelter in place orders is the only one I'd like to steal from the UK, beyond that they are just as screwed as us. The only one's who've nailed it are Japan and South Korea who got on the ball fast with testing. Okay, sure, but South Korea is still reporting new cases and in new areas as of yesterday. This virus spreads prior to symptoms. It sucks and it is unfortunate but how do you effectively contain that?? People need food. People need to access medical care even beyond Covid. What else can be done?? Trump floated the idea of quarantining the New York tri-state area and people threw a hissy fit. No one wants to make the tough decisions.
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Jameson7
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Post by Jameson7 on Mar 31, 2020 12:25:26 GMT -5
Clearly you didn't watch it Manda, but that's ok. The video is just a timeline of the virus and some governments responses to it.
Unfortunately we have a moron with a funny voice and a wierd haircut (sound familiar?) running the UK who had the power to do much more earlier on.
A relative died on Saturday from it so it has bought it a bit closer to home so I'm a bit pissed for the people in countries where thewir leaders don't lead.
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Post by someonerandom on Mar 31, 2020 12:37:32 GMT -5
I wrote a long post about how our president’s response to the coronavirus pandemic has been uniquely awful, but then I deleted it because it doesn’t really matter. It’s like trying to convince a Muslim to become Christian, if Christianity were actually based on facts.... and we’ve already been warned about starting political arguments here.
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Post by someonerandom on Mar 31, 2020 12:43:19 GMT -5
Anyway my cities have been on a “lockdown light” as I call it, intended to keep the economy going while also flattening the curve. I’m considered an essential worker, so I’m still out in the public. Trying to keep people the fuck back from me and washing my hands a lot. I am scared and really don’t want to get COVID-19.
Ad of yesterday the virus has killed a 9/11s worth of people in the US (more than 3000) and it still growing at an alarming rate after many states have been in lockdown light for two weeks or more. And young people are getting this too, with very harmful effects even if you survive.
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Post by pam on Mar 31, 2020 17:11:33 GMT -5
I wrote a long post about how our president’s response to the coronavirus pandemic has been uniquely awful, but then I deleted it because it doesn’t really matter. It’s like trying to convince a Muslim to become Christian, if Christianity were actually based on facts.... and we’ve already been warned about starting political arguments here. Do you think the Muslim religion is based on facts, and if so, why?
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Post by matisse on Mar 31, 2020 17:34:13 GMT -5
Strict enforcement of shelter in place orders is the only one I'd like to steal from the UK, beyond that they are just as screwed as us. The only one's who've nailed it are Japan and South Korea who got on the ball fast with testing. Okay, sure, but South Korea is still reporting new cases and in new areas as of yesterday. That doesn't mean they aren't doing a better job than us. And they came before us, so we could have used them as the model. I agree with darth that the testing was the key. That required taking it seriously early on. We're still struggling with testing. Hopefully the Abbott ones will come through.
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Post by someonerandom on Mar 31, 2020 17:52:58 GMT -5
I wrote a long post about how our president’s response to the coronavirus pandemic has been uniquely awful, but then I deleted it because it doesn’t really matter. It’s like trying to convince a Muslim to become Christian, if Christianity were actually based on facts.... and we’ve already been warned about starting political arguments here. Do you think the Muslim religion is based on facts, and if so, why? No, I think Islam and Christianity are equally full of shit. The religion example was just the first one that popped in my head. I guess it doesn’t really work since they both are not based in any verifiable reality. So in this hypothetical situation I just arbitrarily chose Jesus religion to be fact-based.
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Post by someonerandom on Mar 31, 2020 17:56:24 GMT -5
Really I’m having a hard time coming up with a better example. I’d say sports teams because you can point to their records and argue that, but the stakes are not the same, ie, life and death.
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Post by devogirl on Mar 31, 2020 20:04:03 GMT -5
The only one's who've nailed it are Japan and South Korea who got on the ball fast with testing.
Actually the places that have done well in the response are Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore. They are not only testing but doing extensive contact tracing and targeted isolation to slow down transmission, which means not having to lock down everything. There is also extensive temperature taking before going in to work or entering places like hospitals or schools, as well as having to declare if you have traveled. It's been very effective. Mass quarantine is less effective and harder to enforce. Singapore also developed a test to screen people who had the virus and recovered, to assist with identifying clusters.
South Korea was behind the curve with a massive outbreak, but got on top of it with widespread testing. Japan on the other hand has been terrible about testing and is under reporting their cases. As the video points out, the mistake both the US and UK have made is to put politics ahead of science, and Japan has made the exact same mistake. No one knows why Japan hasn't had a huge death toll yet but it could still happen in the next few weeks. There's also a good article here on people with disabilities in Japan worried about the pandemic. I guess there's never been a better time to be a hikikomori.
Oh and by the way thanks everyone for keeping the politics talk limited. We will continue to strictly moderate any posts on politics that are abusive or argumentative.
ETA: Also, it's not an accident that Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore have such an organized, well-planned response; it's because they were very hard hit by SARS in 2003. No one in Hong Kong right now is saying "This is all so strange, I've never seen anything like this before." And the world is extremely lucky SARS 2003 didn't turn into a pandemic, because it is way more fatal. SARS retreated on its own for reasons no one knows. We still don't have a vaccine or treatment for it.
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Post by wonk on Mar 31, 2020 21:32:57 GMT -5
Thanks DG, I didn't want to have to be the naysayer about Japan
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Post by darthoso on Mar 31, 2020 21:59:11 GMT -5
“We’re not at war. Sailors don’t have to die.”I follow DoD pretty close, this letter from the Commanding Officer of the carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt is extraordinary. Understand, by writing this letter (which includes language that guarantees it'll leak), this guy killing his career to save his sailors. This is a cry for help because his chain of command isn't listening, for him to go this far is very serious.
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