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Post by myrrh on Jul 1, 2020 12:53:30 GMT -5
I'm glad you're open to thinking about it more el_steveo, and your apology took guts. One of the (many) scary things about covid is that it's so easy to carry without being aware you have it. And by deciding you don't care about avoiding the virus, you're making it even more likely that you'll catch it. You're able to make that decision for yourself. But, by not wearing a mask, you're making that decision for others. Look at this graphic and you can see the biggest impact the mask makes is that it protects others from your germs. That's why people are so upset when someone refuses to wear a mask. It's like darthoso's comparison to drunk driving: you're not just hurting yourself, you're hurting whatever innocent people you crash into. It's just not an ethically defensible choice to make.
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Post by matisse on Jul 1, 2020 14:34:58 GMT -5
We are all going to get this virus eventually. I don't think this will be true for covid. There's way too much firepower working on the vaccine. There's also a lot of firepower on a treatment. So if you make it to a treatment or vaccine without getting infected, you're probably not going to die or cause someone else's death. In related news, they are pausing reopenings here. But I think they should go ahead with the hair salons. The recent haircut incidents show that masks are very effective in hair salons. Those folks need to be able to get back to work and it appears they can do so safely.
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Post by wonk on Jul 1, 2020 19:08:12 GMT -5
Wow, 50k new cases today in USA
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Post by infinatedreams on Jul 2, 2020 2:11:37 GMT -5
Wow, 50k new cases today in USA nothing to see here folks, move along, it's all going to just disappear someday soon, kinda, well yeah hopefully, I wouldn't worry about it. Besides it's mainly the elderly, disabled and people of minority who suffer severe symptoms nobody important. Some folks (leftwing antifa epidemiologists) reckon it's going to hit 100k soon. Not going to happen people were going to get Hong Kong Fluey and kick that Kung Flu right back to Chinnnnna where it came from. Its all Chinnnnna fault, exponential growth, they invented it, look at their population.
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Post by Jameson7 on Jul 2, 2020 2:32:56 GMT -5
Wow, 50k new cases today in USA nothing to see here folks, move along, it's all going to just disappear someday soon, kinda, well yeah hopefully, I wouldn't worry about it. Besides it's mainly the elderly, disabled and people of minority who suffer severe symptoms nobody important. Some folks (leftwing antifa epidemiologists) reckon it's going to hit 100k soon. Not going to happen people were going to get Hong Kong Fluey and kick that Kung Flu right back to Chinnnnna where it came from. Its all Chinnnnna fault, exponential growth, they invented it, look at their population. I'm sure I heard that it will be gone soon as there are 15 cases and soon it will be zerrrro, or was it just sit in your garden catching UV rays and popping hydroxychloroquine pills. I think it came from a man who never lies and hates fake news, so it must be true!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 8:39:40 GMT -5
Wow, 50k new cases today in USA nothing to see here folks, move along, it's all going to just disappear someday soon, kinda, well yeah hopefully, I wouldn't worry about it. Besides it's mainly the elderly, disabled and people of minority who suffer severe symptoms nobody important. Some folks (leftwing antifa epidemiologists) reckon it's going to hit 100k soon. Not going to happen people were going to get Hong Kong Fluey and kick that Kung Flu right back to Chinnnnna where it came from. Its all Chinnnnna fault, exponential growth, they invented it, look at their population. lol this Trump guy is funny
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Post by matisse on Jul 7, 2020 15:13:29 GMT -5
Sweden's stay-open approach seemed to be doing ok at first, but now it's not looking good, www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=HomepageLONDON — Ever since the coronavirus emerged in Europe, Sweden has captured international attention by conducting an unorthodox, open-air experiment. It has allowed the world to examine what happens in a pandemic when a government allows life to carry on largely unhindered. This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better. “They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.” The results of Sweden’s experience are relevant well beyond Scandinavian shores. In the United States, where the virus is spreading with alarming speed, many states have — at President Trump’s urging — avoided lockdowns or lifted them prematurely on the assumption that this would foster economic revival, allowing people to return to workplaces, shops and restaurants. Advertisement Continue reading the main story In Britain, Prime Minister Boris Johnson — previously hospitalized with Covid-19 — reopened pubs and restaurants last weekend in a bid to restore normal economic life. Implicit in these approaches is the assumption that governments must balance saving lives against the imperative to spare jobs, with the extra health risks of rolling back social distancing potentially justified by a resulting boost to prosperity. But Sweden’s grim result — more death, and nearly equal economic damage — suggests that the supposed choice between lives and paychecks is a false one: A failure to impose social distancing can cost lives and jobs at the same time. Sweden put stock in the sensibility of its people as it largely avoided imposing government prohibitions. The government allowed restaurants, gyms, shops, playgrounds and most schools to remain open. By contrast, Denmark and Norway opted for strict quarantines, banning large groups and locking down shops and restaurants. More than three months later, the coronavirus is blamed for 5,420 deaths in Sweden, according to the World Health Organization. That might not sound especially horrendous compared with the more than 129,000 Americans who have died. But Sweden is a country of only 10 million people. Per million people, Sweden has suffered 40 percent more deaths than the United States, 12 times more than Norway, seven times more than Finland and six times more than Denmark. ImagePer million people, Sweden has suffered 40 percent more coronavirus-related deaths than the United States. Per million people, Sweden has suffered 40 percent more coronavirus-related deaths than the United States.Credit...Jonathan Nackstrand/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images The elevated death toll resulting from Sweden’s approach has been clear for many weeks. What is only now emerging is how Sweden, despite letting its economy run unimpeded, has still suffered business-destroying, prosperity-diminishing damage, and at nearly the same magnitude of its neighbors. Sweden’s central bank expects its economy to contract by 4.5 percent this year, a revision from a previously expected gain of 1.3 percent. The unemployment rate jumped to 9 percent in May from 7.1 percent in March. “The overall damage to the economy means the recovery will be protracted, with unemployment remaining elevated,” Oxford Economics concluded in a recent research note. This is more or less how damage caused by the pandemic has played out in Denmark, where the central bank expects that the economy will shrink 4.1 percent this year, and where joblessness has edged up to 5.6 percent in May from 4.1 percent in March. In short, Sweden suffered a vastly higher death rate while failing to collect on the expected economic gains. The coronavirus does not stop at national borders. Despite the government’s decision to allow the domestic economy to roll on, Swedish businesses are stuck with the same conditions that produced recession everywhere else. And Swedish people responded to the fear of the virus by limiting their shopping — not enough to prevent elevated deaths, but enough to produce a decline in business activity. Here is one takeaway with potentially universal import: It is simplistic to portray government actions such as quarantines as the cause of economic damage. The real culprit is the virus itself. From Asia to Europe to the Americas, the risks of the pandemic have disrupted businesses while prompting people to avoid shopping malls and restaurants, regardless of official policy.
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Post by matisse on Jul 9, 2020 16:24:50 GMT -5
With all the spikes and reopenings, I'm finding myself increasingly concerned. I am being even more careful now than before. I don't know what I am going to do about sending the kids to school. I am incredibly angry at how this continues to be a bungled mess. Here we are months into the pandemic and N95 masks are sill in short supply and unavailable to anyone but healthcare workers. That is a massive, debilitating FAIL. And they're doing NOTHING about it. An N95 mask would make all the difference for me because it works to prevent infection from others, unlike the minimal protection from other masks.
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Post by darthoso on Jul 9, 2020 17:42:03 GMT -5
With all the spikes and reopenings, I'm finding myself increasingly concerned. I am being even more careful now than before. I don't know what I am going to do about sending the kids to school. I am incredibly angry at how this continues to be a bungled mess. Here we are months into the pandemic and N95 masks are sill in short supply and unavailable to anyone but healthcare workers. That is a massive, debilitating FAIL. And they're doing NOTHING about it. An N95 mask would make all the difference for me because it works to prevent infection from others, unlike the minimal protection from other masks. Every school that reopens, even under the best circumstances, will be forced to close within 3 weeks once staff start dropping.
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Post by Emma on Jul 9, 2020 23:23:33 GMT -5
Here we are months into the pandemic and N95 masks are sill in short supply and unavailable to anyone but healthcare workers. That is a massive, debilitating FAIL. And they're doing NOTHING about it. An N95 mask would make all the difference for me because it works to prevent infection from others, unlike the minimal protection from other masks. 100% in agreement. Its not just about mask supply but about the assholes who won't wear them. Also you can order KN95 masks from Amazon and elsewhere online. They are basically the same, KN95 is just the China standard.
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Post by someonerandom on Jul 9, 2020 23:58:06 GMT -5
Here we are months into the pandemic and N95 masks are sill in short supply and unavailable to anyone but healthcare workers. That is a massive, debilitating FAIL. And they're doing NOTHING about it. An N95 mask would make all the difference for me because it works to prevent infection from others, unlike the minimal protection from other masks. 100% in agreement. Its not just about mask supply but about the assholes who won't wear them. Also you can order KN95 masks from Amazon and elsewhere online. They are basically the same, KN95 is just the China standard. Yeah the KN95 is one of the kind my work gave us. I like this one, would recommend. Although honestly I just wear my cloth mask all the time because it’s easy to just throw in the wash. I just try to keep back from people not wearing mask and keep distance if possible anyways. I am also concerned about the schools re-opening. I hope nothing is done that would exacerbate the spread too badly. CDC has a lot of recommendations, but I don’t know what is the best thing to do to keep people safe while also providing adequate education. Mainly it just worries me that even if children aren’t affected as badly by the virus, it could spread to at-risk people they live with, or school staff. Could really be a disaster if poor decisions are made. I guess different schools will come up with their own plans, depending on what their situation is like locally.
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Post by myrrh on Jul 10, 2020 0:13:41 GMT -5
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Post by darthoso on Jul 10, 2020 12:53:46 GMT -5
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Post by myrrh on Jul 10, 2020 13:19:11 GMT -5
You know, I have a hard time getting upset about that. It puts the liability squarely on the shoulders of the individual, instead of the diffused clusterfuck we have now.
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Post by myrrh on Jul 11, 2020 11:10:19 GMT -5
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