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Post by infinatedreams on Jan 23, 2021 4:38:28 GMT -5
Our youngest can go back to school 2 days per week, but we haven't sent him back. It's just too much risk to take given that I will soon be vaccinated. dont blame you, its pure common sense, something which the powers that be lack! Hope you get the shot soon. đź‘Ť
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Post by someonerandom on Jan 23, 2021 13:15:12 GMT -5
www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/01/23/international-comparison-biden-coronavirus-vaccine-plan/This WaPo article is interesting. It’s basically saying that on a global scale in comparison to other countries, the US is doing an amazingly fast job of vaccinating the population. I think the problem is here, getting people vaccinated is so damn critical because the pandemic response was so awful, and people are dying and getting sick at an insane rate. What, we are approaching like 5000 dead people a day? Not to mention the casualties that survive with health problems. I mean holy shit. And it seems like there is no organization to it, even on a state level. I dunno. Just can’t wait until coronavirus is a bad memory. The article also made me feel bad for poorer countries. We are getting vaccinated before pretty much everyone else. Some people will be dealing with this for years to come.
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Post by wonk on Jan 23, 2021 16:07:40 GMT -5
How is the virus going to become a memory when only half of US citizens say they will take the vaccine?
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Post by someonerandom on Jan 23, 2021 16:57:31 GMT -5
How is the virus going to become a memory when only half of US citizens say they will take the vaccine? I think more than half will want a vaccine once time goes by and it’s been shown that autism rates have not increased or whatever the current fear is. Of course, I’ve over-estimated the critical thinking skills of the average American in the past, and been proven woefully incorrect... so maybe I’m just lying to myself. Plus, 95% success rate of this vaccine I’m going to feel a lot better doing certain things, even if I still have to wear a mask while doing it. But I’d be down to go to a kink party where everyone has vaccine proof, or a comedy show wearing a mask. Having a friend or family over that is also vaccinated, without being stressed about it.
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Post by wonk on Jan 23, 2021 17:58:18 GMT -5
That piece of shit Andrew Wakefield has a lot to answer for.
I read 'the Doctor who fooled the world' over xmas. The lies and fraud were outrageous, yet hardcore antivaxxers see him as some kind of messiah. It is almost like a religion where their stupid beliefs trump science.
Vaccine hesitancy seems like such a reasonable way to think, but it is still based on the fear mongering from the rabid antivaxxers.
You are correct in that next week there will be some new scare. Crohns, autism, infertility, etc
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Post by someonerandom on Jan 23, 2021 19:23:02 GMT -5
That piece of shit Andrew Wakefield has a lot to answer for. I read 'the Doctor who fooled the world' over xmas. The lies and fraud were outrageous, yet hardcore antivaxxers see him as some kind of messiah. It is almost like a religion where their stupid beliefs trump science. Vaccine hesitancy seems like such a reasonable way to think, but it is still based on the fear mongering from the rabid antivaxxers. You are correct in that next week there will be some new scare. Crohns, autism, infertility, etc Yeah that dude and his papers were total garbage. It’s shocking how many people latched onto it. Here in the US they are saying a lot of this covid vaccine skepticism is related to racial minorities who historically have been abused by medical professionals, so many are hesitant about this vaccine. I can understand that, but only 15% the population is black so I don’t know where the rest of it is coming from. It makes sense to be skeptical of something that was pushed through so quickly, but at the same time... Covid ain’t no fuck around shit at all, and it’s killing black Americans at double the rate of white ones. My boss is an anti-vaxxer and thinks I’m crazy for eagerly getting a flu vaccine every year. I talked to a lady at the store who said she thinks they are injecting us with tracking devices, which is stupid as fuck (and physically impossible). Also, my work is not mandating the vaccine for employees because of cultural concerns due to the demographics of our work force. I want to see more high profile trusted people advocating for vaccinations. I think another part of the problem is that as a species we have left so many deadly and horrific diseases in the past through vaccination that people aren’t remembering the alternative any more.
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Post by devogirl on Jan 23, 2021 19:52:06 GMT -5
I talked to a lady at the store who said she thinks they are injecting us with tracking devices, which is stupid as fuck (and physically impossible). ... I think another part of the problem is that as a species we have left so many deadly and horrific diseases in the past through vaccination that people aren’t remembering the alternative any more.
Ugh, this fills me with rage! Just the other day someone was telling me they read on the "news" that in xx country yy number of elderly people suddenly died after being vaccinated. I won't dignify this nonsense with filling in the details because it's so obviously untrue. It's infuriating how willing people are to believe obviously bullshit rumors when the millions of people who have already been vaccinated with no side effects go unnoticed.
I also used to think that this is because vaccines work too well so people have forgotten the true horrors of previous outbreaks. I think of the thousands of mothers lining up their kids to be part of the polio vaccine trials, even knowing there might be risks. That kind of selflessness and commitment to public good seems part of a bygone era. But just recently I listened to a podcast about the polio vaccine and it turns out the vaccination program in the US was purposely slowed down because of Cold War politics and fears that a national vaccination program would lead to socialized medicine.
Yeah, fuck those kids getting polio! We gotta protect the insurance industry. Turns out this kind of politically motivated fuckery is nothing new, and there was a significant anti-vax movement even at the height of the polio outbreak.
As for those idiots who think the government will track them via an injection, I assume that person owns a cell phone. Your mobile provider is tracking you already, genius, and you are paying them a lot of money for that privilege.
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Post by someonerandom on Jan 23, 2021 21:04:49 GMT -5
devogirl Yeah I remember a while back I was reading about vaccines and basically there have been people who opposed them for the entirety of their existence. I didn’t know about the government slowing things up with the polio vaccine. I don’t understand the mindset of wanting to keep something around when there exists a better option. Fuck health insurance. Should we have messed up the car industry so that the horse industry could continue to prosper? What about all the telegram operators who lost their jobs thanks to Alexander Graham Bell? Maybe that’s a bad example because I’m pretty sure back in the day there were people who were anti-telephone. But whatever. They were wrong. And yeah I told that lady she has a tracking device in her pocket so they don’t really need to inject her with one. Lol.
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Post by infinatedreams on Jan 27, 2021 14:58:23 GMT -5
Well weve just hit 100k (Govmnt figures) deaths, office of national statistics says more like 120000. The worst death rate/case in the world yet our Primeminister has just been on Tv says he takes full responsibility (yet hasnt resigned) and that the governemnt has done all it could.
errrm ... really
Johnson has insisted his government “truly did everything we could” to limit coronavirus deaths.
NO HE DIDN'T
He didn’t:
- Lockdown soon enough - Lockdown 2 soon enough - Lockdown 3 soon enough - Provide frontline staff with adequate PPE - Cancel Christmas - Close borders - Cancel all foreign travel - Make testing easily available early enough - Put a viable track and trace system in place - Close schools soon enough - Have a “firebreak” half term lockdown in October - Sort out exams, last year or this year - Make wearing face masks compulsory early enough - Keep people WFH where they could - Provide IT support/equipment to kids for home schooling - Feed kids - Support self employed - Punish people breaking rules (you know who) - Issue clear rules and guidance - Have a plan - Follow the science
You did however:
- Instruct hospitals to transfer all elderly and frail patients to care homes withut testing them first for Covid (a 1/3rd of our deaths have been in care homes) - Provide numerous contracts worth millions to Tory donors - Encourage the celebration of VE Day - Encourage the spread of the virus through Eat Out to Help Out - “Save Christmas” in the face of expert advice to the contrary - until only a week beforehand, when everyone’s Christmas arrangements were finalised - Threaten schools in parts of London with legal action if they didn’t stay open - Forced schools to go back for one day - one day - at the beginning of January
Apart from that, he truly did do everything possible.
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Post by someonerandom on Jan 27, 2021 16:37:52 GMT -5
Hey now, don’t underestimate the value of Christmas. Also, what about the stock market? That’s important too.
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Post by Corey on Jan 27, 2021 20:23:14 GMT -5
Hey now, don’t underestimate the value of Christmas. Also, what about the stock market? That’s important too. Most Americans own stocks. And public offerings are the primary way companies raise money. Which is something they will need to do when they are hemorrhaging cash, like for example in the middle of a pandemic. So yea its kind of important.
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Post by someonerandom on Jan 27, 2021 21:32:03 GMT -5
Hey now, don’t underestimate the value of Christmas. Also, what about the stock market? That’s important too. Most Americans own stocks. And public offerings are the primary way companies raise money. Which is something they will need to do when they are hemorrhaging cash, like for example in the middle of a pandemic. So yea its kind of important. Why you talking about America? I was responding to the comment about Johnson and the UK.
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Post by Slinxter on Jan 27, 2021 21:32:24 GMT -5
Hey now, don’t underestimate the value of Christmas. Also, what about the stock market? That’s important too. Most Americans own stocks. And public offerings are the primary way companies raise money. Which is something they will need to do when they are hemorrhaging cash, like for example in the middle of a pandemic. So yea its kind of important. "The latest available government data, via the Federal Reserve from 2016, shows a relatively small share of American families (14%) are directly invested in individual stocks but a majority (52%) have some market investment mostly from owning retirement accounts such as 401(k)s. The Federal Reserve study found that only about one-third of families in the lower half of the income scale had stock holdings. In the next 40% of the income scale, about 70% of households held stocks, while households in the top 10% of the income scale had stock ownership rates above 90%." www.forbes.com/sites/teresaghilarducci/2020/08/31/most-americans-dont-have-a-real-stake-in-the-stock-market/?sh=2f24a5591154
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Post by darthoso on Jan 27, 2021 22:26:46 GMT -5
Hey now, don’t underestimate the value of Christmas. Also, what about the stock market? That’s important too. Most Americans own stocks. And public offerings are the primary way companies raise money. Which is something they will need to do when they are hemorrhaging cash, like for example in the middle of a pandemic. So yea its kind of important. And going to the moon.
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Post by Corey on Jan 28, 2021 1:17:42 GMT -5
Most Americans own stocks. And public offerings are the primary way companies raise money. Which is something they will need to do when they are hemorrhaging cash, like for example in the middle of a pandemic. So yea its kind of important. "The latest available government data, via the Federal Reserve from 2016, shows a relatively small share of American families (14%) are directly invested in individual stocks but a majority (52%) have some market investment mostly from owning retirement accounts such as 401(k)s. The Federal Reserve study found that only about one-third of families in the lower half of the income scale had stock holdings. In the next 40% of the income scale, about 70% of households held stocks, while households in the top 10% of the income scale had stock ownership rates above 90%." www.forbes.com/sites/teresaghilarducci/2020/08/31/most-americans-dont-have-a-real-stake-in-the-stock-market/?sh=2f24a5591154This proves my point yes?
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