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Post by Dr. BiPAP Sachin on Mar 15, 2020 18:24:35 GMT -5
How's everyone handling and dealing with social distancing? We are in FULL effect of that in CO. It's had little to no affect on my dating life. Hehehehe
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Post by Dr. BiPAP Sachin on Mar 15, 2020 18:29:38 GMT -5
I haven’t heard the monkeys on CNN talk about those countries. Telling indeed.
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Post by darthoso on Mar 15, 2020 18:43:47 GMT -5
“Wildly racist leaps”. Wow. How touching that you took the time out of your day to make a comment on the internet. I’ll bet you feel righteous now. Look. It stands to reason that Italy would not have been collecting enough tax for their healthcare system to keep up to uncontrolled population growth. Along with other factors, I think it’s simple math. But apparently straight to insults is your strong point. It’s good to have something to be proud of I guess. Everyone had their strengths. I’m out of this as nothing ever gets solved when crazy liberals demonstrate their unreasonable reactions. What ever happened to meeting someone somewhere in the middle of the road? Are those days so far behind us? Is there no return? I’ll participate again when I see people are calm and reasonable and not ready to bite someone’s head off. Peace. Your math is simply wrong. Italians aren't having enough babies, that shifts the age distribution and results in a high elderly population, same thing in the US with Boomers retiring. That elderly population, and kids, don't contribute to the tax base and are reliant on economic activity from the 18-64 year olds (family support, charity, government services). Only 63% of Italy's population are 18-64 and 23% are elderly. Compare that to Libya, where most of the migrants are coming from, their age distribute is flipped, 4% elderly. In order for Italy to sustain it's elderly population it has increase it's worker population. Those migrants also have a ton of kids, future workers. So your choices are either forcibly impregnate Italian women, or let's migrants in. Unless you've got a better idea. But 63% even under perfect conditions can't sustain the other 37%. Throw a virus in there that is awful for elderly, that healthcare system is going to fall on its ass. China and India have a bigger problem, 4 grandparents, 2 parents, and 1 adult child who's got to generate enough economic activity to sustain the other 6.
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Post by matisse on Mar 15, 2020 21:16:43 GMT -5
No social distancing in our local Costco. Packed with people like a sardine can. I stood in the long lines at the checkout. The guy before me with piles of toilet papers, at least 20 bags of chips in super size. The guy behind me with mountains of tissues and cookies. I was stuck in the middle. I didn't bother with the panic around here Friday. I ran a few errands today and it was pretty normal. Yeah the pasta, TP and hand sanitizer was gone, but even after all the scrambling there were plenty of non-perishable foods in the main 3 forms: soup, frozen, and dry/microwaveable. So, nobody's going to be starving. The extent of my panic was to get some things from Amazon that were still available.
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Post by loreley on Mar 16, 2020 8:48:51 GMT -5
I also wonder about the countries where you don’t hear anything from. Switzerland. They are so close to Germany, but no numbers and I don’t recall it hearing that here are risky areas... About the Russians: some colleagues came up with the idea that the vodka keeps them safe 😂🙈 The Swiss have about 2,200 confirmed cases and 14 deaths as of the 15th March. Numbers are rising quickly and Switzerland has basically shut down now with only supermarkets, pharmacies, gas stations being open.
I am in Austria at the moment, where from tomorrow onwards gatherings of more than 5 people are not allowed and also everything apart from supermarkets, pharmacies etc. will be shut. The borders to all neighboring countries are closed, only transport of goods and commuters may pass.
I and most of my colleagues work from home now, people are told to leave the house only to go to work, shop groceries or help others who need support.
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Post by Amee on Mar 16, 2020 11:30:55 GMT -5
I also wonder about the countries where you don’t hear anything from. Switzerland. They are so close to Germany, but no numbers and I don’t recall it hearing that here are risky areas... About the Russians: some colleagues came up with the idea that the vodka keeps them safe 😂🙈 The Swiss have about 2,200 confirmed cases and 14 deaths as of the 15th March. Numbers are rising quickly and Switzerland has basically shut down now with only supermarkets, pharmacies, gas stations being open.
I am in Austria at the moment, where from tomorrow onwards gatherings of more than 5 people are not allowed and also everything apart from supermarkets, pharmacies etc. will be shut. The borders to all neighboring countries are closed, only transport of goods and commuters may pass.
I and most of my colleagues work from home now, people are told to leave the house only to go to work, shop groceries or help others who need support.
Where in Austria are you, if you don't mind me asking? I'm in Vienna The measures you mentioned are actually in effect from today as far as I'm aware (the only exception were restaurants and cafes until 3pm today). People who don't comply will face fines of up to 3600€ in theory - although the police have already said that at this point, they will mostly just inform people and give them a warning. I went for a walk today (that's still officially allowed in Vienna as long as you stay alone or with the people you live with - not allowed in Tirol, though, if I remember correctly). There were a lot of people walking outside - but the majority seemed to take "keep distance" quite seriously. A lot of changing to the other side of the road and evading others. Strange times...
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Post by loreley on Mar 16, 2020 11:43:07 GMT -5
Where in Austria are you, if you don't mind me asking? I'm in Vienna The measures you mentioned are actually in effect from today as far as I'm aware (the only exception were restaurants and cafes until 3pm today). People who don't comply will face fines of up to 3600€ in theory - although the police have already said that at this point, they will mostly just inform people and give them a warning. I went for a walk today (that's still officially allowed in Vienna as long as you stay alone or with the people you live with - not allowed in Tirol, though, if I remember correctly). There were a lot of people walking outside - but the majority seemed to take "keep distance" quite seriously. A lot of changing to the other side of the road and evading others. Strange times... Hi Amee, I'm also in Vienna! This keeping of distance was a bit difficult this morning in a small supermarket full of people...
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Post by myrrh on Mar 16, 2020 15:47:30 GMT -5
I developed a fever and a cough last week, so I'm currently on day 5 of self-quarantine. I feel fine, just a little lethargic, so that's good. There's no testing here unless you've been in contact with a confirmed case, so official healthcare recommendations are to stay at home if you think you're consistent with the virus' symptoms.
Luckily, I work from home and haven't had to make any hard decisions... Yet. My friends who work in retail and service jobs are all temporarily out of work. One friend lost her retail job this morning. My state is soon ordering restaurants and bars to close; I've heard others have already done this. I'm nervous. I work in a totally unrelated sector, but I don't think that's going to afford much protection from whatever economic clusterfuck is underway.
So. I have 9 more days to indulge in some elaborate cooking (what can we do with a dozen cans of chickpeas and a 5 gallon bucket of rolled oats?? Stay tuned to find out!) I'm going to bust out my N64, do some artsy projects, pamper myself with face masks and cute toenails, and maybe get started on some Raspberry Pi projects that have been simmering. If anyone needs me, I'll be over here railing vitamins and protein powder. Stay healthy, PD fam <3
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Post by matisse on Mar 16, 2020 16:43:53 GMT -5
I developed a fever and a cough last week, so I'm currently on day 5 of self-quarantine. I feel fine, just a little lethargic, so that's good. There's no testing here unless you've been in contact with a confirmed case, so official healthcare recommendations are to stay at home if you think you're consistent with the virus' symptoms. Luckily, I work from home and haven't had to make any hard decisions... Yet. My friends who work in retail and service jobs are all temporarily out of work. One friend lost her retail job this morning. My state is soon ordering restaurants and bars to close; I've heard others have already done this. I'm nervous. I work in a totally unrelated sector, but I don't think that's going to afford much protection from whatever economic clusterfuck is underway. So. I have 9 more days to indulge in some elaborate cooking (what can we do with a dozen cans of chickpeas and a 5 gallon bucket of rolled oats?? Stay tuned to find out!) I'm going to bust out my N64, do some artsy projects, pamper myself with face masks and cute toenails, and maybe get started on some Raspberry Pi projects that have been simmering. If anyone needs me, I'll be over here railing vitamins and protein powder. Stay healthy, PD fam <3 Here in Santa Clara county we are going on lockdown starting at midnight. Only "essential" stuff is supposed to be open, like gas stations, grocery stores, and restaurants providing take-out only. For THREE FUCKING WEEKS!!!! As usual this is going to hit hardest the people who are least able to deal with it. Most of the techies can work from home. But the service sector is going to be dead. I don't know what the rules for getting unemployment are, but I have a feeling it won't make whole a ton of these folks. What if you're an Uber driver for a living? It's good that people can't be evicted, but they will still owe the rent. It's good that small business loans will be available, but they will have to pay those back without offsetting revenue.
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Post by falcor on Mar 16, 2020 23:22:51 GMT -5
I'm willing to pay $20 USD for an unopen 4 pack of Charmin Ultra Soft. Shits getting dire. Help.
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Post by LaMara on Mar 18, 2020 4:59:51 GMT -5
I’m originally northern italian and my relatives, mostly elderly, are locked indoors and terrified. Hospitals can’t cope and that’s in Lombardy, which has excellent health care compared to other regions. Doctors have to literally pick and choose between patients because they can’t treat everyone. The death count according to the ministry of health is over 2000. In the meantime where I live, in the UK, it’s only “suggested” not to go out and to close down activities, because if you make it mandatory then the government would have to help people who won’t be able to pay rent/mortgages/taxes. In Italy, by the way, all tax and mortgage payments have been delayed and it’s likely the government will go into debt to cover the costs. I wonder what the UK will do... To the gentleman who suggested immigration is to blame for the spreading of the virus in Italy: are you italian? If you are, I’m not going to bother discussing since I can guess why you think this way. One of Italy’s favourite sports lately is to blame immigrants for everything. If you’re not, you’re showing incredible ignorance. Italy was hit hard because of its old population and because the measures taken were too late and a lot of idiots ignored them. Just look at the videos of the thousands of morons who ran to the last train leaving Milan, swarming the station so they could go stay with their families in the south and therefore spread the virus to regions with terrible health system...
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Post by blueskye101 on Mar 18, 2020 5:15:22 GMT -5
myrrh, get well soon and stay entertained
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Post by wonk on Mar 18, 2020 5:39:15 GMT -5
LaMaraIt really is a frightening situation in Italy, and I hope all your relatives remain safe and healthy. Governments around the world have been slow to react, but seeing what has happened in Italy has made them finally wake up. Hopefully it is not too late
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Post by missparkle on Mar 18, 2020 8:06:05 GMT -5
LaMara I am sending my positive thoughts for your family and all people in Italy. Also to people in Spain, France, Austria, whole around Europe, but in general all over the World. I have to agree with wonk, I think governments all around didn't react with most restrictive measures earlier. But I guess it's matter of balance, the show must go on, you can't simple stop the wheel and put everything on pause. In Serbia government has brought the latest decision, curfew from 8 pm til 5 am and completely forbidden older than 65 to leave their houses, at the moment when there were "only" 60 confirmed positive cases. It seems too harsh and they are criticized about it, but I guess it has to do with experience from China and also with our health system that will not be able to deal with overflow into IC.. But is there really healthcare system on the World that will?! 🤔 Take care, stay safe, be positive... And good luck to all!
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Post by infinatedreams on Mar 18, 2020 15:18:18 GMT -5
The sad irony is not lost on me that in 2018 the world spend on military was $1822 billion dollars ... yet on medical research it was $28.6 billion.
When will governments (off all persuasions) stop trying to work out better ways to kill each other (us) and instead concentrate on the very real dangers to ALL global citizens ... mother nature is a far more dangerous creature and doesn't care if your a Democrat, Communist, Authoritarian or whatever creed. This pandemic is showing that, never mind what global warming is doing. I really fear for the future of my grandchildren. 😥
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