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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 18:02:53 GMT -5
Interesting as her last comment talks about my story offending her and heavily implies she's a dev. Label isn't important. But, I'm done. Peace
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Post by malibu on Nov 6, 2016 20:35:04 GMT -5
hey tony, if I knew my post would bother you so much I would not have posted. I didn´t know it is so important for you not to be seen as disabled.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 21:55:23 GMT -5
hey tony, if I knew my post would bother you so much I would not have posted. I didn´t know it is so important for you not to be seen as disabled. I guess that's as close to an apology as you're capable of... |
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Post by Emma on Nov 7, 2016 0:24:17 GMT -5
It would kill you if you tried that. After giving birth to my daughter I had several doctors reaching inside me searching for a piece of placenta. All of them had the entire hand and lower arm up to their elbow in my body. I had an epidural, but still it felt like I was being invaded by aliens and was very disconcerting. It did not kill me. Oh and to comment on something from earlier today.....I'll challenge you to write a similar story w/o the wheelchair/SCI and have it appeal to any regular women. Women do not like typical porn. How could you not realize that? You need to work on your understanding of what devs like as well as non dev women. |
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Post by Emma on Nov 7, 2016 0:36:53 GMT -5
I know AFF asked but I'll ask again, if you aren't disabled why are you on PD?
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Post by Mets on Nov 7, 2016 1:31:43 GMT -5
hey tony, if I knew my post would bother you so much I would not have posted. I didn´t know it is so important for you not to be seen as disabled. I guess that's as close to an apology as you're capable of... On the internet it's nearly impossible to find a legitimate sincere apology, especially when you don't really deserve one. I would strongly suggest you edit that post to something less instigative and perhaps be a little more respectful. I normally try to avoid these controversial threads but decided to chime in for one thing... TAKE AN L. Not everyone liked your story. That's fine. Either take their advice and use it for the next story, try writing for a different purpose, or give up writing all together. There's no shame in any of those options, but the longer you try to defend yourself and continue to argue with a group of people that you do not belong to, the bigger the hole you're digging yourself into. I honestly believe with a well thought-out and sincere response, addressing most of the concerns of this thread, you can get out of this mess without making a whole ton of enemies, but if you continue doing what you're doing, it's imminent. I hate seeing new members go down that road and hope you'll stop and take a step back to re-evaluate things. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 5:58:31 GMT -5
I guess that's as close to an apology as you're capable of... On the internet it's nearly impossible to find a legitimate sincere apology, especially when you don't really deserve one. I would strongly suggest you edit that post to something less instigative and perhaps be a little more respectful. I normally try to avoid these controversial threads but decided to chime in for one thing... TAKE AN L. Not everyone liked your story. That's fine. Either take their advice and use it for the next story, try writing for a different purpose, or give up writing all together. There's no shame in any of those options, but the longer you try to defend yourself and continue to argue with a group of people that you do not belong to, the bigger the hole you're digging yourself into. I honestly believe with a well thought-out and sincere response, addressing most of the concerns of this thread, you can get out of this mess without making a whole ton of enemies, but if you continue doing what you're doing, it's imminent. I hate seeing new members go down that road and hope you'll stop and take a step back to re-evaluate things. Thanks for the advice. Please reread. I am not offended or angry my story was not well received. I solicited feedback. Read through my comments and you'll understand why I got upset. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 5:59:08 GMT -5
I know AFF asked but I'll ask again, if you aren't disabled why are you on PD? See my prior response. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 6:00:11 GMT -5
It would kill you if you tried that. After giving birth to my daughter I had several doctors reaching inside me searching for a piece pg placenta. All of them had the entire hand and lower arm up to their elbow in my body. I had an epidural, but still it felt like I was being invaded by aliens and was very disconcerting. It did not kill me. Oh and to comment on something from earlier today.....I'm challenge you to write a similar story w/o the wheelchair/SCI and have it appeal to any regular women. Women do not like typical porn. How could you not realize that? You need to work on your understanding of what devs like as well as non dev women. Challenge denied  I'd check out 50 shades if I were you though. The 2 non dev women I asked to proof my story said it was tame in comparison. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 6:05:25 GMT -5
For the record, there are quite a few stories similar to mine on that website. The difference I think is that I asked for feedback and the forum ran with it - which is great! Honestly.
What's not great is viewing my comments in response as a desperate attempt to convince you to like the story or show that I'm angry about your feelings. Neither is true. I was trying to engage in a conversation to learn and grow as a writer.
I also didn't realize one had to label himself as disabled to join this forum. Unclear why. But those are the rules I guess. Wish you all well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 7:41:46 GMT -5
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Post by malibu on Nov 7, 2016 9:47:50 GMT -5
I don't expect you to apologize for things you said, like the suicidal note or asking if devs enjoy themselves on the guys expense, sending people to hell... I am sure you will argue following the same logic you applied so far and in your story. I also dont expect you to apologize for calling me out like this without any reasonable reason.
I offered critique on your story because I got the impression you have a wrong opinion on devs, it's important to keep only the dev friendly people around.
If this will make you feel better I apologize for having insulted you, although I don't get why you got so upset. Is it so horrible to be seen as disabled? I mean you can call it a state of mind and for me, in a simple binary system, you are AB, not disabled. May I see you as an AB or do you prefer to be seen as a non-AB like human being* as you called yourself? Disability for you is just a state of mind anyways, so why does it even matter how I see you?
However, how should the majority of the guys here feel, they have a harder time explaining to themselves that disability is just a state of mind.
*why treat differently I treat everybody the same, you said you wanted to educate me on how to treat non-ab like human beings (this term is not my preferred btw)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 10:24:59 GMT -5
I don't expect you to apologize for things you said, like the suicidal note or asking if devs enjoy themselves on the guys expense, sending people to hell... I am sure you will argue following the same logic you applied so far and in your story. I also dont expect you to apologize for calling me out like this without any reasonable reason. . *why treat differently I treat everybody the same, you said you wanted to educate me on how to treat non-ab like human beings (this term is not my preferred btw) My final word: 1. Suicide note was a slight at my life. Unclear why I would apologize to myself. 2. I said go to hell to the people who made comments beyond my writing. At that point in this thread you weren't one of them. If you go back you'll find I earnestly responded to your post and asked for more information TO EDUCATE MYSELF. Not criticize you or devs. 3. My sexual question was legitimate and I stand by it. It was not asked in a hateful way. Again, I was trying to learn. What's the point of a forum like this if we can't discuss these things in a mature fashion? 4. I got upset because I had just said I don't see myself as disabled and then you mocked me. Unclear how I am in the wrong on this. If the situation were receresed and I said devs had a mental disorder you'd be just as offended. So, it doesn't matter how you see me. It matters how you treat me. 5. Wait so the majority of guys here struggle to convince themselves they're not disabled and your response to that is mock one who says he's not disabled. Truly speechless at the stupidity. Not that this matters, but this thread took a turn for the worse when Emma first commented. I asked for a critique of my writing and I very much appreciate the feedback - even now. But I don't appreciate this bizarre victim game you're playing. Or that all the devs misinterpreted my comments to be attacks on devotee-ism as a whole. What's the point of this place if we can't have candid intimate discussions about these things? Very disappointed. |
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Post by malibu on Nov 7, 2016 11:58:20 GMT -5
1. I'm very sorry things got out of control like this. I don't understand the suicide note but if you are having suicidal thoughts you need to seek help. Keep in mind we're just a random bunch of people on the internet. I know this can have an impact IRL though. If you ever felt victim of cyber bullying please contact adm. Please accept my sincere apologies. 2. I don't agree with everything said against you, so I understand you got angry. I agree some comments were inappropriate but I do not think it was Emma. 3. Again, you need to reformulate your question. The idiom "at the expense of someone" (you educated me on that one) is quite harsh. Next time just ask straightforward: you really don't give a fuck for dicks? or if you're a gentleman: does it not bother you at all? 4. If I said I do not see myself as black. And you said. But you are black. I mean, why would I get offended, independently of my color? Unless I'm a racist. You can call me mentally disabled, retarded, stupid (you kinda did ya, stupidity -> I must be stupid) But it will not offend me, I am very confident. 5. Well, I admit I am not 100% sure on this one. I would guess they wouldn't even bother trying to convince themselves that disability is a state of mind. Will they go in front of a mirror repeating "I'm not disabled. I'm not disabled. I'm not disabled." I don't know, maybe I am wrong on this one and they should? Anyways, this doesn't matter for our disagreement, Tony. I really did not know this would bother you so much, I swear I would not have posted if I knew. This was partly a joke, partly what happened to me, I said I'm not really a dev and one guy replied, I'm not really a wheeler. (It made me laugh. No offense to me, because being a dev is a honor.) |
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Post by MarineAmp on Nov 7, 2016 12:17:54 GMT -5
I've been following this behind the scenes. I feel like I need to chime in. I went back to just remember who you were by reading your posts on other threads. Most of your posts are as follows "hey I'm 29, born without my left hand and living in Boston." Or you're talking about having a hard time dating and no one can look past your missing hand. I have a hard time believing you only came here out of curiosity. You can't identify with having a hard time dating because of your disability. Sounds like contrasting statements to me. Almost as contrasting as you telling Malibu you aren't disabled, then in the next sentence you challenge her ability to treat disabled people (non-AB/you) like AB people. People don't write, or attempt to write a dev erotica story just out of curiosity.
I haven't been an amputee all my life, but I had no problem doing any online dating and I'm missing more than just my hand. I almost agree with you that missing your hand is almost like not being disabled, I mean other than typing, clapping, tying shoe laces, doing buttons, zipping up zippers (because down is always easier), opening tough pickle jars, but you could still play professional baseball. You've got it pretty easy, throw in the lawyer thing and it seems like you should be beating women off with a stick.
So what's really going on is what I want to know? The Truth Shall Set You Free.
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