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Post by infinatedreams on Mar 4, 2021 5:07:44 GMT -5
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Post by shadow on Mar 4, 2021 21:14:45 GMT -5
My choice to not get vaccinated in the near future was one made by me and my doctors. If that changes, I’ll let you know. It's your choice, but it's a stupid choice. Unless you are pregnant, or you caught covid in the past 3 months, there is no good reason not to get it if it's available. Thank you for your opinion on it. What are your thoughts on hormone replacement? I’ve been trying to decide which way to go anyhow.
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Post by shadow on Mar 4, 2021 21:46:28 GMT -5
I understand that speech is being categorized as dangerous more and more these days, but I actually believe that most conversations are BETTER and more impactful for all involved when they consist of multiple opinions and (gasp) dissenting views. Yo shadow, dis u? 😱 There is also no good faith comparison between a meet-up for coffee and normalizing not caring about people dying of covid. Personally, I dismissed your negative reaction as a mere self righteous opportunity to get to tell yet another person how selfish they are because they don’t align perfectly with your wants and choices. I believe this is the 3-4th person shamed for their choices in a few months and it always seems to be the same people on the attack. Mental health is also important and suicides are high . We are all adults here and I think there is enough information out there where we can make our own life decisions without assuming the worst of everyone. Yo myrrh! I was wondering why it took you so long to chime in, I was feeling like maybe you didn’t care anymore. Thanks for quoting me, it shows that I am consistent in believing that as humans, we should be allowed to make our personal health and life decisions autonomously and I that don’t support the public reprimanding and shaming that comes with it. Someonerandom mentioned my concern for stifling of speech, which I clearly stated in my response to him that he was incorrect in his assumption/assessment of my post. My post had nothing to do with stifling speech, it was about the repercussions of that speech. In each case that you quoted above, I am supporting the person on the shaming end of the post and I came in with MY personal opinion on it, similar to what the shamers have done in the respective posts. My question for you is, why do you think that my support and disappointment/disapproval of such shaming is my attempt to shut down others speech? For example: Green has an opinion and I have an opinion. Green says my opinion is stupid. If I decide to attack him back and call him stupid, am I shutting down his speech or am I suggesting a better way of communicating? Is he shutting down my speech by saying my decision is stupid? Do you have any memes that could help me understand it better?
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Post by someonerandom on Mar 4, 2021 22:13:44 GMT -5
Okay, we get it, you’re such a victim...Jesus fuck the level of snowflakery is astounding.
Anyways, on the subject of vaccines, have any para/quads who experience neuropathic pain gotten the vaccine? If so, did you experience neuropathic pain after the second shot? About 12 hours later I got really excruciating nerve pain all night, but I’m not sure if it’s related to the vaccine because that’s something that happens at random for me anyways.
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Post by shadow on Mar 4, 2021 22:31:19 GMT -5
Okay, we get it, you’re such a victim...Jesus fuck the level of snowflakery is astounding. Anyways, on the subject of vaccines, have any para/quads who experience neuropathic pain gotten the vaccine? If so, did you experience neuropathic pain after the second shot? About 12 hours later I got really excruciating nerve pain all night, but I’m not sure if it’s related to the vaccine because that’s something that happens at random for me anyways. I was being ironic. 😂 You really do struggle with understanding me don’t you. SMH. Maybe it’s the Canadian accent.
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Post by Green on Mar 5, 2021 0:14:59 GMT -5
Green says my opinion is stupid. I didn't say that your opinion is stupid, because I didn't say you shouldn't ask your doctor if there are reasons you should not get the vaccine. I'm stating the possible reasons that are sensible for you to not get the vaccine. One other reason is possibly a history of severe reactions to vaccines (do diseases like lupus make vaccines risky?) But besides those reasons, it would be stupid if you didn't get the vaccine. It's not to be mean, it's because vaccines are that damn useful for everyone even yourself. Those are the reasons I can think of. If you care enough to share with us that you didn't get the vaccine, I think it makes sense that you would want to volunteer your reasons why. Maybe there's a reason not to get the vaccine I'm not aware of besides the reasons I gave. Seriously, getting a vaccine isn't a complex decision with numerous factors that are difficult to take into consideration without a full medical history. There are very few reasons to not get the vaccine.
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Post by Jameson7 on Mar 5, 2021 3:53:05 GMT -5
Nice to see that there are still Trump Universiity graduates around!
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Post by shadow on Mar 5, 2021 10:46:28 GMT -5
Green says my opinion is stupid. I didn't say that your opinion is stupid, because I didn't say you shouldn't ask your doctor if there are reasons you should not get the vaccine. I'm stating the possible reasons that are sensible for you to not get the vaccine. One other reason is possibly a history of severe reactions to vaccines (do diseases like lupus make vaccines risky?) But besides those reasons, it would be stupid if you didn't get the vaccine. It's not to be mean, it's because vaccines are that damn useful for everyone even yourself. Those are the reasons I can think of. If you care enough to share with us that you didn't get the vaccine, I think it makes sense that you would want to volunteer your reasons why. Maybe there's a reason not to get the vaccine I'm not aware of besides the reasons I gave. Seriously, getting a vaccine isn't a complex decision with numerous factors that are difficult to take into consideration without a full medical history. There are very few reasons to not get the vaccine. You said my choice is stupid. I’m not sure it’s that big of a difference, but words do matter. My doctor agrees with my choice, so in this instance, I am listening to an actual scientist that I know and trust. You may think my doctor is stupid, and that’s ok too. I also work for a doctor who ended up taking the vaccine but was also QUESTIONING things and he decided in the end to take it. I love it! It’s like 2019 all over again. Green, my personal medical history is NOYB, similar to the health of my Uterus, I’m sure some of the gals here would agree. For some reason my medical autonomy seemingly now ends at my uterus. But, I do have severe anaphylactic allergies to multiple medications, and have had severe adverse reactions to flu vaccines, which is why I stopped taking the flu shot 20 years ago. I know that the CDC says it’s fine, I should be fine, and I know how selfish it is that I’m thinking about the well-being of my children and disabled spouse before the well-being of darthoso, but this is the stupid ignorant choice I’ve come to today. Like I told someone random if that changes you’ll all the first to know. There are other reasons as well, I’d get into them if I thought this forum actually wanted to have constructive conversations about difficult subjects, but I know that’s not the point anyone is trying to make. Just to be clear for everyone who thinks that QUESTIONING taking a vaccine that was just released and has yet to answer the question of efficacy as STUPID, this is what the actual science is telling us: “we don’t know.” Their entire FAQ is full of we don’t know, but you all seem to have more answers than the CDC. When they learn more, I’ll learn more. (Hopefully This pic shouldn’t violate the terms of service it’s straight from cdc.gov). Attachments:
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Post by Green on Mar 5, 2021 13:41:28 GMT -5
You said my choice is stupid. I’m not sure it’s that big of a difference, but words do matter. My doctor agrees with my choice, so in this instance, I am listening to an actual scientist that I know and trust. Except for the unless. And if the unless applies to you, then your decision was not stupid. If the doctor agrees with you, then there's nothing to be mad at with what I said - it would've been for the reasons I listed. I'm not assuming that you're pregnant or that you have severe allergic reactions. It could be either one, or another that you could share if you want but I don't think any other reasons exist. But then you told me anyway that it is that you have severe allergic reactions. So much for none of my business - you told me even though I didn't ask and didn't really care. By the way, the tested efficacy is 95%. That's a fact. It's not a maybe. So if you had a population 100,000, and they were all vaccinated, you could predict around 50 people would need to be hospitalized from covid. What is the efficacy in real life? Probably less, because real life is not as well controlled. The FAQ you showed doesn't say that we don't know, it says that there are details we don't know. We aren't in the Stone Age, we know that vaccines work pretty well generally.
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Post by Amee on Mar 5, 2021 14:07:04 GMT -5
Vaccines are amazing. I feel like we're so used to all the amazing stuff we live with that we sometimes need to stop and really think about just how amazing all the stuff is We can stick a little needle in our arm and shoot a little liquid in our blood that prevents us from getting dangerous and disgusting diseases (and can even eradicate them in some cases)! How amazing is that?? The fact that humanity has managed to produce not one, but several Covid vaccines in less than a year still astounds me. That said, I'll admit that I'm not very keen on personally getting this one and was relieved when my profession was struck from the phase 1 list and sent to the back of the line of phase 2. The vaccines were developed fast and governments were super-keen on having them approved, so it's not a huge stretch to think that they haven't been held to quite the same very high standards that vaccines (and medications) are usually held to. I don't think that's wrong given the situation and I don't think they're dangerous or particularly risky, either. But I'm skeptical (and perhaps a bit untrusting) by nature and not a huge fan of putting stuff in my body that isn't necessary (including medication), so I just have a not-so-great feeling in my gut about it. The one I'm now likely to get is the AstraZeneca, which still hasn't been approved in a couple of countries and has made some questionable headlines with dosing mistakes in their trials and some fairly strong reactions. The doctors' association over here has publicly demanded that doctors be vaccinated with Pfizer and not with AstraZeneca. Things like that don't exactly build trust. Then again, it seems to be doing okay in the UK. I'll get the vaccine, because apart from my gut being a bit queasy about it, I personally have no good, rational reason not to. (And of course, the thought of being immune from Covid is not bad either.) But I am playing with the thought of referring myself further to the back of the line and not getting it in phase 2. Plenty of people who are very keen on getting it and have a much higher personal risk with Covid than I at the moment and it would give my skeptical self some more time to observe. Would love to swap places with my mom (who has a higher risk and will likely have to wait forever), but unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
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Post by myrrh on Mar 5, 2021 14:16:20 GMT -5
There are other reasons as well, I’d get into them if I thought this forum actually wanted to have constructive conversations about difficult subjects, but I know that’s not the point anyone is trying to make. Love this. Maybe if you participated more than popping in once a month to tell us how OFFENDED you were, you'd know how silly you sound. In quoting you earlier, I was pointing out your double standard: it's healthy, enriching dissent if you post an opposing view; if someone else disagrees with you then they're a stupid poopoo meaniehead. But you're absolutely right about your consistency in tone. You should take your vaccine thing back to the zello focus group, because starting out by saying your doctor confided in you 🚩 about his vaccine skepticism 🚩 really throws up some red flags.🚩 Anyway, back on target. I'm glad so many of our folks have at least gotten their first shot. It really feels like we're getting close to the end, in spite of the best efforts of the Texan governor. We haven't seen much from people outside the US and UK; I've heard it was a total mess in the EU at first.
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Post by infinatedreams on Mar 5, 2021 14:51:13 GMT -5
oh the good old days before vaccines, where we had to have 10 kids in the hope that 2 or 3 would make it to adulthood , not that we would see them flower as adults of course we would have been long gone due to some bacterial infection or virus. Here's a few 'nasties' that without vaccination programmes a fair number of us here today wouldnt be. Cholera COVID-19 (emergency use WHO list) Dengue fever[6] Diphtheria Ebolavirus Haemophilus influenzae type b Hepatitis A Hepatitis B Hepatitis E Human papillomavirus infection Influenza Japanese encephalitis Malaria[6] Measles Meningococcal disease Mumps Pneumococcal disease Pertussis Poliomyelitis Rabies Rotavirus gastroenteritis Rubella Tetanus Tick-borne encephalitis Tuberculosis Typhoid fever Varicella Yellow fever Shingles Smallpox So yes I totally understand and have empathy for someone cannot be vaccinated due to medical reasons, which i might add is all the more reason that those who can be vaccinated do so to avoid passing on 'disease' inadvertantly to those who have no defence against it. But to not have a vaccine 'just cos' is not good and the 'its my body' line is piss poor. Sure it is your body, it is exactly your body the virus's and bacteria need to infect so you can pass it onto the elderly, unvaccinated, young children, the immuno-supressed etc. So yup its your body, you decide what you want to do with it but can you guarantee you wont infect a totally innocent person which could lead to their death? Cos thats what is happening. Every person who refuses a vaccine for no medical reason is prolonging this pandemic and to be down right blunt, is contributing to misery and death. I struggle to understand why someone would not want to be vaccinated against a vaccine preventable disease, if not for their own health but for the health of their parents, their children, their loved ones and the wider community. I was going to say that i would 'respect' someone's decision not to have the vaccine (not medicaly related) but actually no how could I, I think it is an extremely selfish and stupid thing to do. As for efficacy ... its looking good www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56240220 A single shot of either the Oxford-AstraZeneca or the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid jab reduces the chance of needing hospital treatment by more than 80%, an analysis in England shows. The Public Health England data showed the effect kicked in three to four weeks after vaccination. It was based on people aged over 80 who were the first to receive the jab. Government scientists hailed the result, but stressed that two doses were needed for the best protection. It comes after similar findings were published by Scottish health authorities last week, which they hailed as "spectacular".
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Post by Amee on Mar 5, 2021 14:53:12 GMT -5
Was and still is. At least where I am. I know a couple of high risk people who still have no idea about when they'll be vaccinated. The teachers I know among family and friends also haven't been vaccinated yet (although some of them have their date now). And although I don't personally mind, the fact that my profession has been struck from phase 1 and completely forgotten in the new vaccination plan, before being put back in in phase 2 and we have no clue when it'll actually be our turn, is symptomatic of how well it's all being organized.
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Post by someonerandom on Mar 5, 2021 17:17:20 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me what are the bad things people are worried might happen from getting vaccinated? I thought the worst that can happen is an allergic reaction, which can be treated. Or, the vaccine doesn’t work as well as we thought, or you feel weird for a couple days. The vaccines went through all the clinical trials just at a faster rate. We already know people are fine with them in the short term, and I don’t understand what damage would be caused in the long term. There’s only so much carcinogenic material you can fit inside that small amount of liquid, and it’s one or two doses, not something you’re exposed to repeatedly. Can such a thing damage organs or something? I don’t know what the down side is.
I come from the train of thought of someone who spent years doing street drugs, plus has been eating foods that has shit in the ingredients I can’t even pronounce. And I breathe whatever the hell is inside car exhaust, and I used to smoke and currently vape. So a lil squirt into my arm seems like the least intimidating thing ever. It seems like there’s no way it can possibly be worse than the coronavirus, even in the worst case scenario.
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Post by AlrightyAphrodite on Mar 5, 2021 19:09:51 GMT -5
I dunno man...I definitely drank my share of stuff out of a bathtub in college so I probably have no real reason to judge it but I just keep thinking about the zombie apocalypse. I'm seriously fine just letting everyone else get it while I stockpile weaponry
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