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Post by Mr.BB on Sept 6, 2015 11:04:42 GMT -5
T4 is a high para???!!! Fuck I so wanted to be a medium para. I see myself as a medium para. If I am a high para why are my nipples so sensitive? (Other then because @ruby thinks they are her own little play toys that make her para jump around) Hmmmmm seems to me mrbb that you have a form of BIID, a high para living life as a medium one, seeing yourself as a medium, that's fecking shameful, get back to the high para gang and don't let me see you pretending again As for your sensitive nips, maybe you got a lucky break (pardon the pun) or ruby has special dev powers, if it's the latter can I borrow her for a bit I could do with my abs working out ... After all us medium paras want to be low paras ... Arghhhhh feck it, I've got the same condition as you You joke but on one level I can sort of understand BIID. I do not see my physical self as disabled looking as I really am. When I look in the mirror I am all "how you doin'? damn you are sexy" But when I see pictures of myself all see the real physical me with skinny deformed legs, the para belly, the curve to the right that my body has. In my dreams my pov is always taller like if I am walking but I do not feel or see my legs in my dreams. When I was younger and used braces with crutches. More than once I would be leaning up against a wall or table with my crutches beside me. I would want to go to another room and just turn and try to walk away without my crutches. Once before morning bible class I woke up put one hand on my chair the other on my nightstand and lifted myself up only to then let go of the chair AND the nightstand. As I was falling I internally thought to myself {why are my legs not working?" It was a family joke for a long time because my fall made a ton of noise and woke up my folks. When my mom came in to my room and asked what was going on and why was I on the floor laughing. my response was "I forgot that I could not walk." So yeah I can see how BIID can see themselves as disabled. Lucky for them they can go out purchase a chair and become sort of "disabled" I guess could rig up a bunch of pullies and rope and pretend that I am AB as I Pinocchio "walk" around my living room. But that would take a lot of work and honestly would not feel 100% real to me. Plus Ruby would share pictures or video of this with james and I do not have time for that. Speaking of Ruby sorry @tykes I do not rent her out for nipple play. I am selfish I do not share the real good things in my life.
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Post by MarineAmp on Sept 6, 2015 12:00:50 GMT -5
because it really has no life alter impact on me. Lucky you. Please tell us how your life has been drastically altered because of someone with BIID that you met in real life.
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Post by Green on Sept 6, 2015 12:43:47 GMT -5
Why so hostile? It perplexes me why it's important to you that we not get annoyed that a BIID guy chooses to use a stall he literally doesn't need. It's about decency and respect, not if he eats babies for breakfast and has a pact with Satan. Nope, he's not a monster, but it's disrespectful.
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Post by kivic on Sept 6, 2015 13:13:43 GMT -5
I don't see how this line of questioning is constructive. This is a prime example of how BIIDers are treated here that keeps them quiet and inactive. I respect the fact that he's been honest about his BIID. Obviously not everyone has the same level of tolerance toward BIID, but the amount of hostility in this threat is unacceptable. If I received this much hate about my devness in a welcome thread to a community who is supposed to be openminded and accepting, I'd delete it in an instant. This forum is not about spewing your own dislike at someone else nor is it a personal affront intentionally directed at you. Not sure if anyone's really noticed, but this is a forum for devotees of disabled men, and perhaps among those devotees of disabled men, there are devotees who like BIIDers. Oh and welcome btw
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Post by matisse on Sept 6, 2015 13:52:30 GMT -5
Please tell us how your life has been drastically altered because of someone with BIID that you met in real life. Of course I don't know, I can't know what goes on in stalls and I don't sit around watching people in w/c spots. But you intentionally evade my point by asking the wrong question. My life is affected, all the time, by people who cheat and use stuff intended for me, when they don't need to. I don't distinguish between cheaters or give some a pass because they are not as reprehensible as others. I would like them all to stop.
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Post by hartmannwrites on Sept 6, 2015 15:06:38 GMT -5
And yes this is a forum for devotees of disabled men ... Are we saying now BIID is an actual physical disability? No. IMHO, BIID is NOT a physical disability. But that is only MY personal opinion. I have absolutely zero attraction to BIIDers. Considering that MJW is gay, it's pretty safe to assume that the feeling (or lack thereof) is mutual. This doesn't give me the right to judge him or any dev who might consider BIID a physical disability and be attracted to it. That's not my call to make. Who knows? Maybe he's a BIID dev of disabled men. He would certainly "belong" here if that were the case, wouldn't he? I see it this way. I don't have a PD police badge. Member accounts are approved by the real PD police a.k.a. Admin. Just saying.
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Post by matisse on Sept 6, 2015 16:25:28 GMT -5
This doesn't give me the right to judge him or any dev who might consider BIID a physical disability and be attracted to it. That's not my call to make. Who knows? Maybe he's a BIID dev of disabled men. He would certainly "belong" here if that were the case, wouldn't he? You are conflating two disparate issues. Whether he can be a member is different from whether his behavior IRL is acceptable. They are not mutually exclusive. I don't have an issue with BIID or pretenders, as long as they don't take up my spots.
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Post by matisse on Sept 6, 2015 16:33:21 GMT -5
Obviously not everyone has the same level of tolerance toward BIID, but the amount of hostility in this threat is unacceptable Can you be specific about which posts you think are unacceptable, and why? I have not "flamed" and it would be unusual for me to do so, because I don't have to, in order to make my point.
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tina
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Relationship Status: In a relationship
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Post by tina on Sept 6, 2015 17:07:37 GMT -5
I find it extremely annoying that you turn each and every thread where the word "BIID" is mentioned into a discussion about toilets and parking spots.
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Post by hartmannwrites on Sept 6, 2015 19:27:51 GMT -5
This doesn't give me the right to judge him or any dev who might consider BIID a physical disability and be attracted to it. That's not my call to make. Who knows? Maybe he's a BIID dev of disabled men. He would certainly "belong" here if that were the case, wouldn't he? You are conflating two disparate issues. Whether he can be a member is different from whether his behavior IRL is acceptable. They are not mutually exclusive. I don't have an issue with BIID or pretenders, as long as they don't take up my spots. Thanks, Matisse. You're always so straightforward. I admire that quality (since I'm obviously lacking in that arena) Hmm. I must respectfully disagree with you though. I am not conflating two disparate issues at all because I was ONLY answering @tykes question and never once addressed the subject of whether or not MJW's conduct IRL is acceptable. Honestly, I'm not well-versed in BIID and if I attempted to form an opinion about this, it would be an ignorant one at best. This is why I requested to speak with MJW via PM, as I do have many questions but feel that it's more respectful to ask them in a private setting. All I said was that I personally do not see BIID as a physical disability but cannot speak for others. Nor am I willing to judge them. My apologies for not being more clear
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Post by kivic on Sept 6, 2015 19:45:53 GMT -5
matisse Basically, it's a targeted attack because he's BIID and admitting to it. What purpose does it serve to interrogate him on his BIID behaviour when he's a drop of water in a much larger bucket. If your main issues were with him personally and not as someone with BIID then I could understand your reasons for such contempt, but as you admit, it's the misuse by many and the cheaters that have a greater impact. It seems like your energies could be better put to use elsewhere than one BIID guy at a time on PD; that's a long, hard-won battle. @tykes I'm not saying BIID is a physical disability nor should it be considered as such, but I do think it IS necessary for some people with BIID to live as a disabled person. It's not easy to comprehend and I don't claim to understand it all myself but I makes attempts to just as I would with anyone else with similar circumstances. Gay devs and BIIDers are welcome here. You aren't obligated to interact with them, but you have to tolerate them here. What I AM saying is don't be assholes to every newbie who isn't a dev.
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Post by matisse on Sept 6, 2015 20:05:37 GMT -5
What purpose does it serve to interrogate him on his BIID behaviour when he's a drop of water in a much larger bucket. Ummmm, the same purpose as me calling out any cheater.....have you not seen my post-its, or maybe that was just on wheelerconnect? Like I said, I don't rank cheaters. They all get my ire. It seems like your energies could be better put to use elsewhere than one BIID guy at a time on PD; that's a long, hard-won battle. I didn't count my time ("energies"), but we're talking about appx 5 minutes.......
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vancityippy
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Post by vancityippy on Sept 6, 2015 20:23:06 GMT -5
How can we be arguing about this? A cheater? ?? Why the fuck would someone ride around in a fucking wheelchair when they don't have to unless they have a physiological condition.
People who cut themselves Trans People Devotees People who ride around in wheelchairs Gay People People who see and hear voices People who commit suicide Pedophiles People who murder others for enjoyment
These are all mental health "states." By states,I mean they are issues of the mind that cannot be changed or treated (or are hard to) and defy social standards to some degree.
The above mentioned have varying degrees of acceptability depending on how common and how much harm they cause to others.
We lock some of the above away and encourage some of the above to "be themselves" and treat others.. depending on the harm risk involved and the ability to "treat"
BIID people don't count as harming anyone (but themselves at times) and are less likely to harm themselves if we let them live as they want.
I get it sucks to be disabled. My partner is 29 and we are always weighing the pro's/ cons of doing things as he's already had a stage 4 pressure ulcer. He shit himself at a wedding where I was a bridesmaid, we were devastated.
BIID people have a fixation with being disabled, they are not physically disabled.
Let's have some compassion for an uncontrollable mental health issue that cannot be treated and be kind so they can live.
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Post by hartmannwrites on Sept 6, 2015 20:28:01 GMT -5
What I AM saying is don't be assholes to every newbie who isn't a dev. Yep.
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Post by matisse on Sept 6, 2015 21:41:17 GMT -5
Let's have some compassion for an uncontrollable mental health issue We don't know that it is uncontrollable. That was the point of my questions, which have not been answered. If he "needs" to use the w/c spots but then somehow has no issues with using his legs in other situations, it's not uncontrollable. It's convenience, in which case he would be ok with screwing me, but when it comes to himself suddenly he's fine being AB.
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