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Post by Green on Sept 8, 2015 19:13:41 GMT -5
Misunderstanding then.
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Post by BA on Sept 8, 2015 19:19:59 GMT -5
An underlying issue for me, in all of these circumstances is taxes. I pay a crapload of taxes. It sucks for me to travel, but I do it for work. I feel disrespected by these folks not just because of them taking my spot, but also because I am paying their fucking taxes. Dealing with my disability is not easy for work, so just let me do my job without making it more difficult for me. You can go home and watch the stupid reality TV of the day while I am working to pay for your share of taxes. Is that an assumption that people with BIID accept disability income from the government? Seriously, Matisse. By the way, I have seen a wheeler in a bathroom twice in my lifetime. Busted. I use disabled stalls when others aren't available.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 19:32:06 GMT -5
An underlying issue for me, in all of these circumstances is taxes. I pay a crapload of taxes. It sucks for me to travel, but I do it for work. I feel disrespected by these folks not just because of them taking my spot, but also because I am paying their fucking taxes. Dealing with my disability is not easy for work, so just let me do my job without making it more difficult for me. You can go home and watch the stupid reality TV of the day while I am working to pay for your share of taxes. Is that an assumption that people with BIID accept disability income from the government? Seriously, Matisse. By the way, I have seen a wheeler in a bathroom twice in my lifetime. Busted. I use disabled stalls when others aren't available. As someone who's filled out literally hundreds of SSI/SSDI applications, I can tell you that BIID alone will not get approved. And that's all I'll say on this subject because I'm SOOOO tired of these same arguments.
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Post by matisse on Sept 8, 2015 19:36:53 GMT -5
Is that an assumption that people with BIID accept disability income from the government? Nope. It's a fairly tangential point, not really worth any further discussion. I"m sure you've seen my similar rant any number of times (or you can just run a search), it comes up every time any AB does something to make my life more difficult.......
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Post by MarineAmp on Sept 8, 2015 21:14:30 GMT -5
Vancityippy, your appraisal of the situation is most commendable and articulate as far as I'm concerned. Love your views and inclusion of different 'mental health states'... intersectionality ftw! And cheers to everyone else who argued pro-BIID. I'm not sure anyone really read the thread at all. O.o No one was mean even or hostile, except Legoless. Fuck you I'm always nice. Have a good night. <------see, I'm nice
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Post by nycdevotee on Sept 10, 2015 21:52:07 GMT -5
Please tell us how your life has been drastically altered because of someone with BIID that you met in real life. Of course I don't know, I can't know what goes on in stalls and I don't sit around watching people in w/c spots. But you intentionally evade my point by asking the wrong question. My life is affected, all the time, by people who cheat and use stuff intended for me, when they don't need to. I don't distinguish between cheaters or give some a pass because they are not as reprehensible as others. I would like them all to stop. if only we lived In a perfect world
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Post by Mr.BB on Sept 11, 2015 2:09:35 GMT -5
As for the bathroom stalls, I am at a loss. I would certainly appreciate some help brainstorming. I can't fit into a lot of regular stalls without walking or scooting on the floor. I am very uncomfortable with the idea of standing up out of my wheelchair in a public bathroom. I think often about the ethical questions pertaining to my 'fixation', and I want to avoid harming others through my own life choices. If I was in your shoes why not also wear leg braces? Than when you want to stretch those legs or get in to a jam and you need to use your legs you can and not raise any eyebrows. I am talking about those half cast or plastic ones that go just below the knee down to the foot. Or go old school and fashion some metal ones with leather straps.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 2:32:04 GMT -5
As for the bathroom stalls, I am at a loss. I would certainly appreciate some help brainstorming. I can't fit into a lot of regular stalls without walking or scooting on the floor. I am very uncomfortable with the idea of standing up out of my wheelchair in a public bathroom. I think often about the ethical questions pertaining to my 'fixation', and I want to avoid harming others through my own life choices. You could just not use the fucking wheelchair.
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Post by matisse on Sept 11, 2015 16:47:48 GMT -5
I will not be parking in accessible spaces. I have stopped. Thanks, I appreciate it. I am very uncomfortable with the idea of standing up out of my wheelchair in a public bathroom. You don't need to be. My suggestion is to keep it simple and just go ahead and stand. I have personal experience with this because I used to do it all the time. For several years after I started using a chair, I would still stand to use the urinals and to get on and off the toilet. Eventually I got too weak to be able to do that anymore. But during all the years when I did that, no one ever said anything or gave me any strange looks. And I was using a power chair, so these folks were seeing a guy stand up and out of a power chair (albeit with some effort required). Just own it and you'll be fine.
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Post by tori on Sept 12, 2015 1:25:20 GMT -5
I'm probably going to get a lot of hate and backlash for this, but I just don't get the toilet stall as a huge issue. I understand the parking spot because of many reasons, mainly being that it's illegal to park in one unless you have a placard.
I'm a 37 year old woman and in my life I've used those bathroom stalls a ZILLION times in some of the following circumstances...
1. There were no other stalls open 2. The other stalls were dirty/broken/clogged and just plain gross 3. I had a kid or two with me and we can't all fit in a smaller stall 4. Those stalls also do have baby changing stations in them.
In all my times using these stalls I never once saw a sign saying it was illegal to use them if you were not disabled, and never once have I come out to find a person in a wheelchair waiting on me to finish.
It seems to me that a person in a wheelchair would be put out not much longer than any of us AB people that would be waiting in line for a stall, so I'm thinking mere minutes. Correct me honestly if I'm wrong. I'm not trying to be rude or disrespectful.
I will say though reading all this I will take PWD into consideration more often before using those stalls.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 1:47:08 GMT -5
I've really not been wanting to weigh in on the whole BIID thing because it just seems like a waste of time to me... My feelings on it used to be feelings of pure hatred and disgust, but now I'm a bit more torn. I'm trying to be open minded. It pisses me off though just from the principle of the fact: Dishonesty. Gaining false sympathy. Using resources for disabled people.
As far as handicap stalls go, fuck a duck man. At my last job whenever I had to use the bathroom (I like to use stall so I'm not shoving a cath in my cock in front of a bunch of people) the damn handicap stall was ALWAYS occupied while the others were empty. I didn't have long breaks, so it really interfered with my cigarette/energy drink time haha. Usually they'll be diddling on their iphones cause I can hear the noises. This one time a guy was sitting in there having the time of his life with a fucking newspaper. I had to take a shit really bad. He was sitting there whistling, rustling the pages. I sat there waiting forever, and finally complained loudly and he wiped his ass and left (they're always very apologetic when they see me waiting). Sometimes I get tired of waiting and I just go up to the urinals and cath my dick. I don't care if people see it, but it's uncomfortable in a work situation.
It really fucking annoys me, but I empathize with those who use that stall. When I was able bodied I ALWAYS used the handi stall. It's so spacious and comfy! And I never saw a cripple waiting for it until I went into 3rd person and watched the cosmic fuckery of my life before astral projecting into the star system and welcoming that dark embrace from the all-encompassing black hole that infects us all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 3:31:39 GMT -5
Minutes are like hours when you have no bowel/bladder control, Tori. Think of the urgency you have to get your toddlers on the pot.
I'd be willing to bet someone with BIID will have a miracle and walk into a regular stall before they'd shit themselves at work or out on a date waiting for the big stall. The real wheelers don't have that option.
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Post by lucretia on Sept 12, 2015 8:59:42 GMT -5
On the subject of bathroom stalls...
If you've got sphinter control, can you really say you don't "get" why those that don't have it would be pissed (pun intended) if an AB was in the only stall they can use?
Seriously?
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Post by tori on Sept 12, 2015 10:12:22 GMT -5
I think if I worked in a building with a PWD I would take some more consideration than I have in past, as I will going forward.
With BIID the cases seem so rare and few and far between that an encounter with one would seem rare, but then again with the Internet our world is shrinking. I would have never thought there are as many Devs as there are until I found this place. I do totally understand the frustration of them using resources that are meant for someone with a disability. The bathroom stall just seemed like a minor thing considering I'm sure way more AB peeps use them than someone with BIID.
Like I said wasn't trying to be disrespectful. I was just wondering why they'd place baby changing stations in there if they didn't expect an AB mom or dad with a stroller to roll into one. Would you be as annoyed watching me walk out with my kids?
I'm not trying to weigh in on BIID either. I've got very mixed feelings about this. Thanks for the feedback.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 10:58:32 GMT -5
The fact that they put the baby changing tables in the hp stalls just proves that most people don't get or care about the real purpose of the stalls. This drives me insane!!! I had an issue with this the other day, when baby needed changing and the changing table was in the hp stall, which was occupied by a AB woman, yet all the other stalls were empty. There is no need for the changing table to be in that stall!
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