7 deadly sins clip -pretender /biid

[Ath]

7 Deadly Sins -- Dark, twisted and wildly entertaining, 7 DEADLY SINS proves that truth really is stranger than fiction. Acclaimed, Oscar-nominated documentary filmmaker Morgan Spurlock (Super Size Me) presents an outrageous, modern day interpretation of the seven deadly sins: lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, and pride. Each episode presents a story around one of the sins that is so extreme you won't believe it's non-fiction. It's humanity like you've never seen it, and you won't be able to look away.

[happyface2013]

Strange that he thinks he should be in a disabled body but I guess he doesn't have to deal with the major difficulties involved.

[Inigo Montoya]

Often, this place is the first (or one of the first) place that dis guys get introduced with BIID. It can be really, really hard to wrap your mind around. It's hard for AB folks... and especially hard for people who would give anything to be rid of the nasty things that SCI brings to them.

BIID stands for Body Integrity Identity Disorder... imo, it's easiest to understand when compared to transgender-ism. If I'm not mistaken, there has been at least one study that linked it to brain mapping issues/differences.

Having talked, in depth, to at least one dude with BIID, he was very well aware of the additional things that come with SCI... impotence, bladder and bowel, pressure sores, etc. But awareness of those difficulties doesn't "cure" him of feeling like he's in the wrong body. Some people with BIID will go to great lengths and suffer tremendous pain to attain their disability. (I'm specifically thinking of a girl who blinded herself.) Often they gain relief when that happens. Sometimes, they don't.

[mikefatty]

i know someone with BIID that successfully self injured. and is completely happy with her lack of of ability. she feels her body is now the way it was meant to be. its a condition in the development of part of the brain. linked to body image and the signals that the brain receives. her brain was telling her something was wrong because she was ab. and when she used a chair and didnt use her legs those "malfunction alarms" in her head stopped. like say someones brain that has SB develops and it knows your bodys limbs are a certain way. imagine a completely normal person with a brain that has the same body image of someone with SB. so in her brain now her body is the way it was supposed to be. its verry odd and strange. but i cant help but say it makes sense.

[gaywheellover]

I have BIID and maybe I can shed some light on the issue. So far the views presented here by the responders are more or less correct. IT is a body mapping issue, it is related to transgenderism and it has to do with brain signals and impulses. We ultimately don't feel correct in our body. It is not hard to wrap your mind around, what most people in the disability community find wrong with people with BIID is that we "choose" our disability, but that is not the case. for the afore mentioned reasons, we don't choose our disability, we were born always feeling that our bodies needed to be a certain way, and until it is the exact disability our brain feels our bodies should have, we will not be happy. Wheelchair use helps, because at least I am not walking, I need to be a T12 para. It helps because my body is not actively engaged in walking and standing, however it is not perfect because I still have sensations in my legs. Also, incontinance and impotancy are part of being a para, and hence my body will not be complete until even these things are felt. Also, for those of us who do choose to live as disabled persons, it is not really a choice. We do it because it is either depression or do this, and the depression is one of the worst kinds. We know that it is difficult to be disabled. In fact, as a guy in a wheelchair, one who is percieved by my community as disabled, I am actively discriminated against every day. There is a lot in life I miss out on by being a wheelchair user to "live" as a paraplegic. At times the depression from this treatment is really bad, but at the end of the day, it is not as bad as it would be if I did not use a wheelchair. I hope this helps a bit. Any further questions from anyone here I would gladly answer.

[Ath]

There is one thing I can't wrap my head around...I'm not disabled but lets say someone really longed to have all my other issues -I wouldn't have any problem with that....... I wouldn't understand it but I wouldn't sit there and argue against it.

-Why are some disabled guys fine with a dev liking the disability, but not OK with someone with BIID wanting to be disabled?

I do get that both devs and pwds get upset when someone pretends to be disabled here. I mean I understand the wheelchair thing better now after the above explanation, but on the site?? There shouldn't be a reason to hide it here or when talking to other people! But I'm sure that just like there are bad devs, there are bad pretenders.....

[matisse]

I think the wheeler issue with BIID is choice, but not in the way mentioned above. A person with BIID can choose to become disabled, while wheelers cannot choose to become AB. We wheelers have to just deal with our condition. BIID people can make that choice too, and choose to deal with their hardship without becoming disabled and taking our handicap spots and bathroom stalls, which are already in short supply due to jerk ABs.

[devogirl]

They just think it's a choice but it really isn't. No one chooses to have BIID; it's a brain disorder. Just like no one chooses to be trans. They feel unbearable mental pain until their body matches what the brain dictates. Like GWL said above, he's fixated on being a T12 para. Most likely if he acquired some other disability through accident or illness it wouldn't fix his BIID issue.

Aside from BIID, there are also people who get a sexual thrill from pretending. That's different, they usually are not fixated on one specific disability and do not actually seek to become disabled for real. They get a lot of hate for pretending in public (or even in private). But again, they don't choose to have that fetish, any more than any of us chose to be devs. They can choose how they express their desires, and lying or using up scare resources like parking spaces is obviously wrong. But they can't choose not to be turned on by pretending.

[Deleted]

I've never had any issues with people with BIID. As devogirl says, it's a condition, much like any other one. Pretenders only really bother me if, as said above, they are using resources like parking spaces. I tend to let people get on with their own lives and if something makes them feel happier and more complete, then that's fine. I might not understand the desire someone has to be disabled, given that I am living the reality of being disabled, but that doesn't make the way the feel have any less value than how the rest of us are.

[Corey]

One thing I find interesting is how in the "disability pet peeves" thread, many wheelers mentioned how they hate receiving pity or people assuming they are unhappy and live a life of suffering, just because they are disabled. Yet when we talk about BIID on here several people are quick to say things like "they live a tortured existence" or "I cant imagine the suffering they go through". Make of that what you will, its just an observation. But I am curious how the BIID members feel about such grandiose displays of pity. I am not writing off their problems, I just think receiving pity is never a good feeling . . .

[Ath]

Thanks all for your responses. Its been very enlightening.
But why do you need to understand it? People have already written about it being a mapping problem.
You dont 'understand' being gay, trans, dev etc and you wouldn't treat a gay person
with such open...disrespect nor would you ask a dev to get therapy (Not saying that everyone is! BUT sometimes replies
on the forum are a bit much)

I know I will regret this post but:
Noone touched the question "how can you be ok with devs liking it"
If you cant be ok with other people wanting it.
They are two different ways to "needing" a disability in their life and neither of them are glorifying it
or saying that disability is a 100 percent positive thing.

How can you not be ok with someone wanting to be disabled, but be ok
with a dev wanting you to be disabled and liking that you are disabled.

To me it just feels like the pwd isn't REALLY ok with devs either and it.. worries me.. as if people feel like they should hide how they actually feel about devs just because there is a small chance of sex.
I'll have to learn to seperate it in the same way I guess.

[Inigo Montoya]

Honestly, I think there ARE lots of PWDs... even here... who aren't ok with devs. Over the years, I've come to think (my opinion, folks! That's all) that lots of guys here THINK they are ok with devs but if you prick very far below the surface they really aren't.*

It can often be kinda between the lines of posts. It's what I always think when I see guys who want to date "normal girls/women" and who "don't need to date a dev."

That is, of course, how it reads through my personal filters. Like how I always read "looking for a woman who takes care of herself" on dating profiles to mean that random dude is looking for someone thin.

For clarification purposes, I don't think that every guy here should avow that he's only ever looking for a dev (I think I'm not explaining this well) because there aren't many of us self-aware devs out there... but when you get a dude who regularly makes those announcements... I fully believe that he is NOT ok with what we are.

*I attribute this mostly to them not being ok with what THEY are either.

[matisse]

Aug 17, 2014 21:55:34 GMT -5 Ath said:

How can you not be ok with someone wanting to be disabled, but be ok
with a dev wanting you to be disabled and liking that you are disabled.

I feel like I'm repeating myself....so maybe I will try to say it differently. Dev+PWD=net positive. No one loses, lemons into lemonade, etc....

BIID becoming disabled is not a net positive, from my wheeler perspective. BIID gets "cured" which is great for that one person, but that BIID is now taking up my bathroom stall, parking space, increased insurance costs due to PWD, etc. If the BIID can completely avoid affecting me as a wheeler, then yeah go for it, it is net neutral. But I doubt most can, since as it stands, I am already paying for the services/healthcare of the majority of AB (yes, AB) folks through the massive taxes I pay.

I also don't feel like I have am in my right body. I need to be AB. I can't make that happen. I deal with it. BIID: deal with it too, or become a PWD in a way that is not detrimental to me. Don't take my handicap spots, don't take my toilet stalls, pay for your own healthcare, don't take a roll-in shower hotel room, pay for your own aids, etc.

[MarineAmp]

I've grown more calm after many moons. I try to look at things from a personal rights perspective more these days. I can honestly say just thinking of BIID no longer stirs up any feels of anger or confusion. I don't like the idea of parking spaces or stalls being taken up more frequently, but it is better that someone with BIID be taking up these resources for their benefit then just same lazy asshole doing it because it is there.

In the grand scheme of things there are way more people scamming the system and raising rates, then what the number of people with BIID that have actually gone through the process and reached some level of disability and then being compensated by the govt. for it. Law firms make money for signing people up for disability, so they make commercials telling people to call them to get signed up for disability and the law firms will help you find some sort of disability so they can get their check. That is what should be truly pissing off all people.

[matisse]

Fair enough MA, but those are not mutually exclusive. All of those things about scammers piss me off too and I have of course ranted about them here on PD as well....